Moral sinking at FLOPS

[Voice Of Reason]

From what I see it looks like the events taking place in the past little while have a life of their own.

I hear the union is trying to put out the fire that is slowly growing but is not having any luck. I guess it is burning just too deep now.

Isn't it ironic that the union and the company now want to work together to cool things down.

I just hope this thing will come to and end with a leading contract SOON. I'm tired of the roller coaster ride of hope that this place will be a great place to work again (but with a contract so it STAYS that way when KR disappears again). It would be nice to not have to always be preoccupied in looking for a backup plan (and starting over) if (God forbid) that day doesn't come.

 

[brokeflyer]

Isn't it ironic that the union and the company now want to work together to cool things down.

good...at least the company is planning ahead now.

wonder how much my signing bonus will be this year? I say it will be $8500

 

[dime line]

good...at least the company is planning ahead now.

wonder how much my signing bonus will be this year? I say it will be $8500

what is this?

 

[SilverSurfer]

You just don't get it

You guys sell yourselves out when you mention something like this right after you say things like: "It looks like peak season is going to be just like last year for the pilots, company and owners again." and, "What a shame just when the owners started to notice a positive change.".
Come on, you've just admitted that "things" are going to change operationally because of the union goal, regardless of the "Do nothing illegal...." mantra.
Typical.

Flame Suit: Check.

You just don't get it just like Sh!thead and Punjab didn't. We pilots decide when a jet flys and when they don't by the authority granted us by FAR 91.3, and its completely legal. A pilot can choose to exercise the letter of the law in his detailed preflight, not overlooking anything on his jet, or he can discover a squawk when it is "convenient". If Riccie wants the pilots to get on board 110% and make this company what we all want it to be, he knows what he needs to do.

Our new management had a opportunity to put this company squarely back on track by making completion of negotiations the first priority. We could have had a contract by the end of the year. They have not and I feel they are taking our Union leadership and our pilots for a marry ride to have as good a peak travel as possible. Many pilots are coming to the same conclusion and expressing their displeasure by exercising there authority.

Its time for Riccie to stop this bullsh!t by simply doing what is right, by doing what he said he would do. If he doesn't then we will tumble right back into a worse state then we were when Sh!thead was in charge. The success of Options does rest in Riccies hands, in the pen he signs our contract with.

 

[dime line]

You just don't get it just like Sh!thead and Punjab didn't. We pilots decide when a jet flys and when they don't by the authority granted us by FAR 91.3, and its completely legal. A pilot can choose to exercise the letter of the law in his detailed preflight, not overlooking anything on his jet, or he can discover a squawk when it is "convenient". If Riccie wants the pilots to get on board 110% and make this company what we all want it to be, he knows what he needs to do.

Our new management had a opportunity to put this company squarely back on track by making completion of negotiations the first priority. We could have had a contract by the end of the year. They have not and I feel they are taking our Union leadership and our pilots for a marry ride to have as good a peak travel as possible. Many pilots are coming to the same conclusion and expressing their displeasure by exercising there authority.

Its time for Riccie to stop this bullsh!t by simply doing what is right, by doing what he said he would do. If he doesn't then we will tumble right back into a worse state then we were when Sh!thead was in charge. The success of Options does rest in Riccies hands, in the pen he signs our contract with.

And there you have it.

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

You just don't get it just like Sh!thead and Punjab didn't. We pilots decide when a jet flys and when they don't by the authority granted us by FAR 91.3, and its completely legal. A pilot can choose to exercise the letter of the law in his detailed preflight, not overlooking anything on his jet, or he can discover a squawk when it is "convenient". If Riccie wants the pilots to get on board 110% and make this company what we all want it to be, he knows what he needs to do.

Our new management had a opportunity to put this company squarely back on track by making completion of negotiations the first priority. We could have had a contract by the end of the year. They have not and I feel they are taking our Union leadership and our pilots for a marry ride to have as good a peak travel as possible. Many pilots are coming to the same conclusion and expressing their displeasure by exercising there authority.

Its time for Riccie to stop this bullsh!t by simply doing what is right, by doing what he said he would do. If he doesn't then we will tumble right back into a worse state then we were when Sh!thead was in charge. The success of Options does rest in Riccies hands, in the pen he signs our contract with.

Couldn't have said it any better!

 

[skanza]

You just don't get it just like Sh!thead and Punjab didn't. We pilots decide when a jet flys and when they don't by the authority granted us by FAR 91.3, and its completely legal. A pilot can choose to exercise the letter of the law in his detailed preflight, not overlooking anything on his jet, or he can discover a squawk when it is "convenient". If Riccie wants the pilots to get on board 110% and make this company what we all want it to be, he knows what he needs to do.

Our new management had a opportunity to put this company squarely back on track by making completion of negotiations the first priority. We could have had a contract by the end of the year. They have not and I feel they are taking our Union leadership and our pilots for a marry ride to have as good a peak travel as possible. Many pilots are coming to the same conclusion and expressing their displeasure by exercising (or abusing) there authority.

This is what I'm talking about. Not something a "professional" would do. A 2nd grader yes, a pro, no.

Its time for Riccie to stop this bullsh!t by simply doing what is right, by doing what he said he would do. If he doesn't then we will tumble right back into a worse state then we were when Sh!thead was in charge. The success of Options does rest in Riccies hands, in the pen he signs our contract with.

Don't you see?
And as far as the "list" goes, if you're all so intent that it's just to examine the aorcraft for airworthiness, why does the emphasis on a "quality preflight" only come up when things go sour with the union-management relations? Its so obvious...

That's my point, ******************************-bags.

 

[skanza]

here goes...

Which ones are bull$hit?

Copied from the list:

1. Power lever gators (the rubber that keeps stuff from falling into the pedestal) needs to be intact not worn downing item

Really? Grounding?

12. All placards (exterior and interior) installed and readable

19. Takeoff pitch trim horn doesn't sound if trim is SLIGHTLY out of the green

That's subjective.

25. O2 mask does not stay in cradle.

Of course, if you rip it out then try to jam it in the cradle carelessly - to ground the airplane. You all know it takes some effort to install these...

29. Static and pitot drains are closed

Unless you fu(k with it, they should stay closed. But if you decide to drain them, a little effort will re-seat the drain.

31. Cockpit trim indicator agrees w/ trim position marking on vertical stab
What? Is there a dot on the indicator? No, its a range.



40. Feed back from the hand held mikes. It’s a no no

Sure, ecpecially if you hold the mic up close to the speaker...on every BJ.
This all just BS in my opinion. But you know they do seem silly...

 

[glasspilot]

...........double post: sorry

 

[skanza]

Oh, these too...

Yea, which ones?

38. Check the knife valve on the crapper. It is MEL-able, but a real live mechanic must come out and disconnect the electrical

Airworthy, no. Delay the operation and spend extra $ to pay a grease monkey to MEL it? Check.

44. On battery power only, run your rudder trim from full right to left or visa versa. The rudder must have full travel in less than 64 seconds per the mx manual

Per the mx manual? Wrong.

45. When selecting flaps 30, be sure they indicate 30, not 29 not 31 ... can you tell me what REF is for a flaps 29 or 31 approach

So the Beechjet you're flying must have a flap indicator with resolution down to the degree. Come-on dude!

 

[glasspilot]

Don't you see?
And as far as the "list" goes, if you're all so intent that it's just to examine the aorcraft for airworthiness, why does the emphasis on a "quality preflight" only come up when things go sour with the union-management relations? Its so obvious...

That's my point, ******************************-bags.

Because every time a pilot lets a squawk ride to a more convenient place that pilot is putting his ticket on the line. Have I done it? Sure, to help my own company grease the skids that provides me an income and the ability to put food on the table and my kids through college.

If my company were spending MILLIONS to lawyers to find ways to screw me out of THOUSANDS then my perspective would change very quick.

Why would someone being led to the gallows help the guy under the hood by holding his beer until he lets go of the rope?

Fact is that any airline, commercial, freight, or corporate, would be shut down tomorrow if every flight had to be 100% compliant with the regs. Just having the PIC be familiar with all aspects of each flight would do it. That, by definition, is impossible. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[skanza]

Because every time a pilot lets a squawk ride to a more convenient place that pilot is putting his ticket on the line. Have I done it? Sure, to help my own company grease the skids the provides me an income and the ability to put food on the table and my kids through college.

If my company were spending MILLIONS to lawyers to find ways to screw me out of THOUSANDS then my perspective would change very quick.

Why would someone being led to the gallows help the guy under the hood by holding his beer until he lets go of the rope?

Fact is that any airline, commercial, freight, or corporate, would be shut down tomorrow if every flight had to be 100% compliant with the regs. Just having the PIC be familiar with all aspects of each flight would do it. That, by definition, is impossible. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I agree so much. A plane breaks where it breaks, reguardless of the maintenance convenience. But, on the flip side, they don't break where (or when) the don't break.

To summorize: Don't fly a broken airplane to "help" the company, don't break a green airplane to hinder the company. It's simple.

 

[ProFracPilot]

To summorize: Don't fly a broken airplane to "help" the company, don't break a green airplane to hinder the company. It's simple.

That's how naive you are, Skumza. If only 50% of our pilots would refuse to help the company by flying a "discrepant" airplane (writing it up where and when it breaks), the flight operations of this company would come to a screetching halt tomorrow! We don't have to create discrepancies. The airplanes (and our all-too-quick to write "No Fault Found" maintenance department) makes this a no brainer. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Quit assuming you know my (or ANY pilots) intent. Regardless of what you believe to be true, you're not a mind reader.

 

[brokeflyer]

I agree so much. A plane breaks where it breaks, reguardless of the maintenance convenience. But, on the flip side, they don't break where (or when) the don't break.

To summorize: Don't fly a broken airplane to "help" the company, don't break a green airplane to hinder the company. It's simple.

nice back pedal.......Why you think those preflight instructions are BS?

If its broke then its broke. If its outta limits, then it's unairworthy. You cant dispute anything on that list. YOU go fly the plane broke.....just do it on my days off, life is hard enough without idiots like you in the air.

I jsut hope when you become a captain you'll figure it out.

 

[skanza]

nice back pedal.......Why you think those preflight instructions are BS?

Ummm... no back pedal here. Just making a statement. And I've already answered why I think these preflight lists are BS. Mostly because of their timing.

If its broke then its broke. If its outta limits, then it's unairworthy. You cant dispute anything on that list. YOU go fly the plane broke.....just do it on my days off, life is hard enough without idiots like you in the air.

Again, I never said fly broke airplanes. As in, unairworthy airplanes, not "some stickers are missing" airplanes or "I claim to know the MX Manual references" airplanes.
I alread did dispute some things on that list. Check my previous posts. You can't dispute that.

I jsut hope when you become a captain you'll figure it out.

You never know, you may have already flown with me, buddy.