Moral sinking at FLOPS

[B19 Flyer]

no its your attitude.....i dont care what your views are. But you come in here and "suggest" that we all stop doing pre-flights.

so once again.....seek life elswhere, you attitude is disturbing. call me what you want, i fly safe and that's that. I just hope im never in the air when you are.

No, he is not suggesting that at all.

Instead, he is suggesting that you stop doing preflights that draw the ire of the courts against unions, like the court order issued by Judge Bertlesmen:

http://www.airlinesafety.com/articles/ComairInjunction.htm

Preflights as you suggest are that of a non-professional pilot that do nothing but create chatter amongst other union members and create a divide with management.

You guys have played these childish games for over three years now without success.

Isn't about time to get 1108 to live up to their promises before the well runs completely dry and there is no money left for a contract?

1108 made promises they couldn't keep and suckered all of you into staying in a job that you could have replaced ages ago and have gotten better money by now.

If you don't like it leave the fix. If unable to accept the clearance due to the state of the industry, blame yourself for getting suckered by those used car salesmen posing as union reps.

 

[OldCrow]

I'll be your Huckelberry

The dog doesn't have the choice of his owner or how you treat him, but I'm sure he still shows up every day and gives 100% regardless of what you feed him.

You however have the choice of an employer. If you don't like what you are getting fed, go someplace where you can get the premium food and stop complaining about it.

Dang B19, seems you know less about bird dogs, than you do about aviation.
I was here long before you showed up, and will be here long after you have been shown the door.

 

[Semore Butts]

So B-19,

What I'm getting here is that no progress has been made and the 1108 should move towards the pocess of striking?

For once I agree with you. Management is gonna delay as long as they can so they can run back to the boss with their hands out to say "look daddy, the business is in shambles and we saved you this much money in pilot wages"! Can I have a bonus?

Is that what you are suggesting?

You are saying 1108 has done nothing?

Are they not meeting monthly with the company?

I could almost guess that the foot dragging is on the management side? (Duh, ya think?)

It's business man, the management guys have families and are just trying to make a buck.

I'm glad I'm not in a position to make my living by f-cking over my fellow man.

That just doesn't rest right with me.

But hey! Nothing personal, it's just business!

Stay the course 1108.....

 

[brokeflyer]

give it up b9.....

 

[o2bflyn]

bbbbbooooooooorrrrrriiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggg.

did someone just fart?

Sorry.....ate at White Castle.

 

[B19 Flyer]

What I'm getting here is that no progress has been made and the 1108 should move towards the pocess of striking?

For once I agree with you. Management is gonna delay as long as they can so they can run back to the boss with their hands out to say "look daddy, the business is in shambles and we saved you this much money in pilot wages"! Can I have a bonus?

Is that what you are suggesting?

You are saying 1108 has done nothing?

Are they not meeting monthly with the company?

I could almost guess that the foot dragging is on the management side? (Duh, ya think?)

It's business man, the management guys have families and are just trying to make a buck.

I'm glad I'm not in a position to make my living by f-cking over my fellow man.

That just doesn't rest right with me.

But hey! Nothing personal, it's just business!

Stay the course 1108.....

It's been three years... how much longer and how much deeper into the recession do we have to go before you realize that 1108 missed the boat?

For the last couple of years I've been saying that you had 3 years of turmoil ahead and 1108 didn't get it done while they had the best chance when the economy was good?

They failed, pure and simple, now the membership is lulled into thinking they are going to get this great contract the isn't going to and can't happen in today's economic climate.

1108 suckered all of you into thinking they could "close the deal" as fast as they did NJA. Three years and counting, and now there is a pilot pool out there willing and ready to fill your positions in a heartbeat if you strike to feed thier families...

You got what you asked for! Nothing.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Dang B19, seems you know less about bird dogs, than you do about aviation.
I was here long before you showed up, and will be here long after you have been shown the door.

Does Bud know you are tarnishing the name of his plane with pro union garbage?

My bird dogs have been all high performance performers trained by me. I've been a long standing member of NAVHDA and have been working with pointing dogs longer than I've been in aviation. If you have a dog that doesn't want to hunt, then you kept the wrong pup out of the litter and should think about placing him in a home and replacing him with one that wants to hunt.

Just like having a pilot that doesn't want to work. If you have a pilot that doesn't want to work, then you hired the wrong pilot and should think about replacing him too with one that actually wants to fly.

 

[brokeflyer]

blah blah blah.......you win.....now please stop cause your making my ears bleed.

 

[1folinepilot]

Does Bud know you are tarnishing the name of his plane with pro union garbage?

My bird dogs have been all high performance performers trained by me. I've been a long standing member of NAVHDA and have been working with pointing dogs longer than I've been in aviation. If you have a dog that doesn't want to hunt, then you kept the wrong pup out of the litter and should think about placing him in a home and replacing him with one that wants to hunt.

Just like having a pilot that doesn't want to work. If you have a pilot that doesn't want to work, then you hired the wrong pilot and should think about replacing him too with one that actually wants to fly.

The Pilots at Flight Options have allways worked hard and have done their best to hold the place together, the problem is that management has failed to work with the pilots and the rest of their employees thus allowing the place to fail! They have allready replaced Sh!tfinger and Punjab and need to continue with you Bob as well as the rest of the middle managers and corrupt PSM's. While you are at it, take Scumza with you! Flight Options needs managers that want and know how to manage

 

[B19 Flyer]

The Pilots at Flight Options have allways worked hard and have done their best to hold the place together, the problem is that management has failed to work with the pilots and the rest of their employees thus allowing the place to fail! They have allready replaced Sh!tfinger and Punjab and need to continue with you Bob as well as the rest of the middle managers and corrupt PSM's. While you are at it, take Scumza with you! Flight Options needs managers that want and know how to manage

An average bird dog will hunt no matter what he is fed. He doesn't need anything special for motivation.

Pilots come a dime a dozen for corporate aircraft and in today's marketplace they can be replaced just as easily by pilots that want to fly, not play union games.

1108 had their chance when the economy was good and they blew it. Just keep telling yourself how good you and your fellow union mongers are and that the company can't operate without the union.

 

[B19 Flyer]

blah blah blah.......you win.....now please stop cause your making my ears bleed.

If you are reading this post with your ears, it probably explains how 1108 is getting away with jamming their contract promises up the wrong orifice without you noticing it. :laugh:

 

[993_Pilot]

The dog doesn't have the choice of his owner or how you treat him, but I'm sure he still shows up every day and gives 100% regardless of what you feed him.

You however have the choice of an employer. If you don't like what you are getting fed, go someplace where you can get the premium food and stop complaining about it.

Now you're comparing us to Dogs?

 

[brokeflyer]

If you are reading this post with your ears, it probably explains how 1108 is getting away with jamming their contract promises up the wrong orifice without you noticing it. :laugh:

nah i dont work at options.....im at NJ....everything is great.

 

[993_Pilot]

It's been three years... how much longer and how much deeper into the recession do we have to go before you realize that 1108 missed the boat?

For the last couple of years I've been saying that you had 3 years of turmoil ahead and 1108 didn't get it done while they had the best chance when the economy was good?

They failed, pure and simple, now the membership is lulled into thinking they are going to get this great contract the isn't going to and can't happen in today's economic climate.

1108 suckered all of you into thinking they could "close the deal" as fast as they did NJA. Three years and counting, and now there is a pilot pool out there willing and ready to fill your positions in a heartbeat if you strike to feed thier families...

You got what you asked for! Nothing.

Allow me to point out a few errors here. The 1108 was ready and willing to negotiate, however the management lead by MS, was not. It is not the 1108 that has failed us, it is you and the rest of management. Now that MS and most of his crew are gone, we may actually have a chance of getting this done. You are correct about the timing not being so good, but that is not something any of us can control. There is no way the management could bring in a bunch of strike breaking scabs and keep the company viable, because it takes both money and time to get them trained. If the training costs didn't put Flops out of business, the time frame would, from the charter costs alone. Not to mention how many owners would be anxious (or even willing) to fly with the newly hired scabs, after having to cross picket lines? So, next you would probably see a class-action lawsuit by the present Flops owners, for failing to perform to their contracts... Big $$, just to fight it + all the bad press. If that is how you see Flops succeeding, then you better dust off your resume' too!

With all this said, none of us want to see it ever go this far. We just want a contract negotiated in good faith, and done in a reasonable time frame.

Wake up, and get real. This isn't the airlines!

 

[FR8DOG777]

Your'e a complete friggin joke 1.9

Give it up we are tired of hearing your dribble. If we are just a dime a dozen how come the last few hiring campaigns went so well. Flops has the very worst reputaion as an aviation employer bar none. Hell even the line guys know how fckking bad is is to work here. We got rid of that little tyrant trying to replace us all with young unexperienced pilots eager to fly shiny jets. Just what the real people funding our paychecks wanted to see in the cockpit flying them around. We are now in the process of getting rid of you. We will stay and fight for what is rightfully ours, respect, honor and fair pay, things of which you know nothing about.