Ok Buttwipe. Every MEC since the beginning of time has in-fighting. I personally think some SEA reps and a couple ANC reps are tools, but that is just my opinion. I guess you would fall to your knees for all your reps huh?Remember months ago when some Delta pilots were trying to recall some of your LEC reps? Those pesky facts again.
As far as DOH, there have been dozens of DOH awards and don't think for a minute that the screwed up Nicalau award will be the only one they look at. ALPA merger policy was thrown out when the two mec agreed to expedited arbitration and has NEVER been the precedent, only a guideline.
Geez, can you get any facts right?
I'll give you one more chance, why do you want a category ratio when you know that it hurts NWA pilots? Why do you want to enjoy the massive move up over the last few years and then move up even more when NWA pilots retire? Because we may park planes or we get the priveledge of being a Delta pilot? Thats your argument? Remember, if planes are parked, they are all Delta planes now. I am sure Bloch will act accordingly
We had one guy bring up dropping Moak at a meeting. This particular guy is a multimillionaire, who HELPED guys with their pensions. Could you see why he might be upset? We lost our pensions. He wasn't happy about it. The facts please.
I know why the ANC and SEA guys are upset. We haven't had whole LEC's mad at our MEC, just a few people. I can understand why though the ANC and SEA guys are feeling the heat. That is the way it goes. You have whole bases mad. Your cargo division lost $185 million last year.
Dozens of DOH awards? Within ALPA? Current ALPA? Same sized airlines (well, we are bigger than you)? Really? Did you review any of the transcripts around the 20th of OCT? Did you see our guy hammer yours about DOH and how your past mergers have essentially been ratios? You have always been bigger than the potential airlines you have acquired or thought about acquiring, so THEN it was ok for ratios. Now, since you are smaller, you want DOH. Sorry, that won't work.
Category ratio hurts NWA pilots. Hmmm. Could that be because we bring a lot more widebodies (you are likely to lose some 742s really soon), at higher pay compared to 3/4 of your fleet. (pre-DCC pay---that is what is being shown in arbitration) We are bringing the majority of the widebodies and higher pay to the table. We expended most of the extra pay allotted to us by the company to just bring you up to parity.(had to be done). And what thanks to we get? A pension? Nope. We get your SLI proposal, which knocks most of us back 14%. Yep. BACKWARDS. What do we get with ours? We move up 2%, and that is due to your bottom 400 guys going to the bottom since many of your planes are going bye bye (don't say they aren't, don't do it, we all know).
I don't want any mainline planes to go away, but reality is reality. We know the business plans, and the arbitrators do too, since they were discussed in the "confidential" sections of the transcripts. Your lawyer extolled the mighty DC9, and we all know that the only other passenger airlines in the vicinity that fly them regularly are in Venezuela. (oil is 5 cents a gallon there too) Come on now, you have to get over yourselves and come to the reality that you aren't bringing as much to the table, and that means something. And you call me buttwipe? Come on, you are getting testy, and starting to look like McCain at the last debate.
And Noserider76 is correct. When we lost our Captains to retirements, we also lost all of our MD11s, 767-200s, and all of the smaller 737s (-200s and -300s). The smaller 737s alone were numbered at over 60, and we had 14 MD11s and about 15 767-200s. This was all after BK, not after 9-11. After 9-11 we lost all of our 727s and L1011s. And what you don't understand is that our smaller 737s are equal to your DC9s. We already lost our smaller planes, and you have not, until of course you are on our property and expect our guys to go along with them.
Bye Bye--General Lee
