NW/DL (and ultimately affecting ALL of us): The Flaw With "Career Expectations"

[nwaredtail]

Good bet, but I have no official numbers yet. Hopefully Monday. Less than 50 for sure.

wrong, higher..........

 

[NEWSOUTH]

It is so funny reading all of your post. I mean, all your lives are so outta your controll. A bunch of kids in adult clothes. You have all taught me that it does not matter who you work for: the fact is that you WORK FOR SOMEBODY and that is what makes you all a bunch of losers. I am so thankfull that I started my own business and now people work for me. I control my own future. And when I am ready to leave all of you "bitches, spoiled rotten robots, and children in uniform", I can and will. Start a business and create jobs, quick trying to control your job. You have no control.
You are an EMPLOYEE!!!! No more, no less. Sorry, but that is a fact.

Get mad if you want too. How can it be any other way? Everyone seems to be in control of your future, except YOU! So you fight and bicker about everything. You blame everyone except yourself....You are in this mess because you choose to be apart of the rat race. An employee with no control over your destiny. An EMPLOYEE instead of a EMPLOYER. It is what it is. Or maybe you can explain it to me. I can understand the sub-topics. But, the title is "Employee". That is the real problem.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Want a cookie?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Tell your guys to quit dragging their heals on the SLI.

Why?

I for one will be happy the day this is over no matter what the outcome is.

This effects the next 30 years of your life. Better to get it right than just "get it over."

This is one time when we need to let management, manage, and we need to be resolute.

Steady, steady .... it is on profile and stable, stay with it.

 

[~~~^~~~]

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[NEWSOUTH]

Yea, a cookie to go along with your Elvis glasses while you fly the 767. I bet you are gonna be real popular with all "books".

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Most definitely. Someone's gotta show them where the free beer is in Costa Rica.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Ok, you got on that one. But, El Salvador is the real deal. Costa is a rat trap now. I doubt you get anything free in Costa. I doubt you speak Spanish either. Just staying in SJO does not mean you are the man. It just means you are doing what you are told by your EMPLOYER.

I have traveled from Pavones to Olee's Right (Oliver North). Are you too young to know who he is? Well, is does not matter. I'm sure SJO excites you like a little kid.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Newsouth:

I'm also a founder and a small business owner. My customers are every bit and more my boss than any other boss I've ever had. Your business surely serves other peoples' needs and hinges on the humble realization that you serve others. As the owner, I've also been the janitor and #1 butt kisser on plenty of occasions.

Sorry about the thread creep, flame away.

 

[anewunion]

I own my own company. And some days in this economy I wish I wasn't my own boss. Also, go easy with the big loser statement.

I'm over 1 Mil in revenue with my business, my wife is a doctor, and I have 3 Mil in Real property. The best thing about it, I don't care who wins the election. I pay very little in tax.

Remember It's not how much you make it's how much you keep form the government.

Relax, and go back to your CL-65.Ya know, Kinda like an adult in a kids jet.

I'm done, Take it away Boys.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Newsouth:

I'm also a founder and a small business owner. My Fortune 100 customers are every bit and more my boss than any other boss I've ever had. Your business surely serves other peoples' needs and hinges on the humble realization that you serve others.

With your "EMPLOYER" attitude I am surprised you can find folks to work for you and even more surprised that you can maintain relationships with your customers. Unless you have some little EBay gig, I don't see how you do it. Frankly, working for an airline is a whole lot easier than running the show - particularly in this economy.

Sorry about the thread creep, flame away.

Yes, it is harder then working for an Airline. That is why nobody does it. I don' have the fortune of having "fortune 100" customers. I'll take what I have grown, for now. Actually, the airlines have taught me really good communication. And I have not had any problems with being able to hire or keep help. Sorry if my rant hurt somebodies feelings. But, I have gained alot of flexability financially and emotionally from my busines. I'm sorry if you have not. But, please don't tell me how I should run my business, based on your dislike of my post.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Ok, you got on that one. But, El Salvador is the real deal. Costa is a rat trap now. I doubt you get anything free in Costa. I doubt you speak Spanish either. Just staying in SJO does not mean you are the man. It just means you are doing what you are told by your EMPLOYER.

I have traveled from Pavones to Olee's Right (Oliver North). Are you too young to know who he is? Well, is does not matter. I'm sure SJO excites you like a little kid.

You've got a bit of an inferiority complex going there. Chill out...it's the internet. Flexing your "muscles" and prancing around calling people little kids doesnt exactly do anything.

The 800 and maybe the 88 go to El Salvador. I'm sure it's alot of fun. I speak enough spanish to convey what I need to say...most of the time, haha.

My employer treats me very well, actually. I have a tremendous amount of flexibility with my schedule each month- all it takes is a phone call.

Just remember, we all work for someone. If you as an employer don't work for your employees you aren't worth anything. On top of that... the government still wants their cut out of whatever you do.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

I own my own company. And some days in this economy I wish I wasn't my own boss. Also, go easy with the big loser statement.

I'm over 1 Mil in revenue with my business, my wife is a doctor, and I have 3 Mil in Real property. The best thing about it, I don't care who wins the election. I pay very little in tax.

Remember It's not how much you make it's how much you keep form the government.

Relax, and go back to your CL-65.Ya know, Kinda like an adult in a kids jet.

I'm done, Take it away Boys.

Ok, for now I will go back to my KID'S Jet. My comments were directed at Employees....not Employers. If they are not warranted then so be it. Kid's jet might be part of the problem for the Employees.

I respect your business and I am jealous. Not jealous of your job though. Good for you. But lay off the Jet Jokes. That is not gonna work. Your jet job is a JOB. And that is not what my rant is over. Your business however, is what I am talking about. I did not call you a loser, remember. That was a term reserved for Employees that were crying over no control of their situation. When their situation has been controllable for years.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Fortune 100 customers ain't what they used to be. We believe one of our customers' business will fail in the next eight weeks despite receiving billions in bail out money. We are hoping to get our bills paid before the filing.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

You've got a bit of an inferiority complex going there. Chill out...it's the internet. Flexing your "muscles" and prancing around calling people little kids doesnt exactly do anything.

The 800 and maybe the 88 go to El Salvador. I'm sure it's alot of fun. I speak enough spanish to convey what I need to say...most of the time, haha.

My employer treats me very well, actually. I have a tremendous amount of flexibility with my schedule each month- all it takes is a phone call.

Just remember, we all work for someone. If you as an employer don't work for your employees you aren't worth anything. On top of that... the government still wants their cut out of whatever you do.

OK... I'm gone. Just trying to show what I have learned about aviation. Over the top? Yes. I do feel bad about the industry. Maybe, I was offering a solution. Maybe, I've seen some stuff that makes me sick to my stomach and I was willing to throw myself to the wolves. Continue on.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Ok, you got on that one. But, El Salvador is the real deal. Costa is a rat trap now. I doubt you get anything free in Costa. I doubt you speak Spanish either. Just staying in SJO does not mean you are the man. It just means you are doing what you are told by your EMPLOYER.

I have traveled from Pavones to Olee's Right (Oliver North). Are you too young to know who he is? Well, is does not matter. I'm sure SJO excites you like a little kid.

Oh yeah..and SJO is a craphole in alot of ways. The "catch and release" girls aren't exactly my thing. Great food real cheap, free booze, super nice people, and a really nice gym in the hotel make it very tolerable.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Oh yeah..and SJO is a craphole in alot of ways. The "catch and release" girls aren't exactly my thing. Great food real cheap, free booze, super nice people, and a really nice gym in the hotel make it very tolerable.

Look, fellow.

I'm not flexing anything. I've spent more time in Central America with my Seven year old then you will spend your entire career with Delta. Because you stay in a secure, fenced in hotel in SJO does not make you an expert. That was the intent of you orignal post. To make me feel inferior to you and your travels with Delta. Well, try again. Try Europe, that will probable work. However, Central America will not. Staying in the Delta hotel in SJO does not make you an expert on third world Countries. I'm sorry. You will not get free beer in Costa, outside of your hotel. Nice try. You are not some local, because you fly for Delta. Shut your mouth.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I'll be a millionaire by next Tuesday.....

Tried to come back.... Tried to post... Tried to take a shot at the General's wife...

Realized I have more important things to do with my life....

Have fun, children.

 

[another cfii]

Everybody just chill!

I think we all need to step away from this thread for a day. Watch some football, drink some beer, whatever you do to find your happy place.

My colleague Peanuckel was just trying to be sarcastic (like he usually is, and I don't see why treat his comments so seriously?

 

[767/757]

Anyone watching the Texas/Tech game? Awesome!

Tech is my alma mater - Great game!

 

[Gunfighter]

This is nonsense.

Facts:

MYTH: NWA Pilots just got a large pay raise/ Delta pilots got nothing

Fact: Nwa pilots received a wage increase but that goes away in a few months. Health care, and monthly guarantee decrease.

Yes, health care may cost a little more, but you are complaining about working less for the same or more money? Come on. Do you actually want to work significantly more hours at a lower hourly rate. Under that logic, you would be willing to work overtime for less than regular pay.

The new contract provides for 2x pay on greenslips over ALV or 75 hours, whichever is lower. That's better than 1.5 for over 80. It's a huge improvement, accept it for what it's worth.

Is it in the NWA culture to complain about everything? It's ok to smile and enjoy things some times. It's alright to be happy when something good happens. If I buy a round on a layover can I expect the former NWA guys to complain because the beer is too free, too cold and served by a waitress that is too pretty, whose waist is too skinny and whose b... are too large.

Ok, done venting. Now lets drink that free, cold beer that the captain is buying.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

I think we all need to step away from this thread for a day. Watch some football, drink some beer, whatever you do to find your happy place.

My colleague Peanuckel was just trying to be sarcastic (like he usually is, and I don't see why treat his comments so seriously?

Yea, your right. Your colleague is the cool, sarcastic guy. I'm just the uptight serious guy with violations and family issues flying the kid's jet. I will go back to my board, where I belong. So sorry for trying to sit in the front with you. My bad.

 

[recallsomeday]

Ask the USAir East guys if they feel "equal"? The arbitrator didn't care in that case. He did what was right--except for the top 500, he kept everyone in the same percentage as before the merger. He looked at what each airline brought to the table, and then decided. IF we had the same number of planes and pilots, it would be easier to figure out. We don't.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Ask how many Easters/Westers think that what the arbitrator did was "right" ?

Purely a matter of (your) opinion, or anyones opinion of "right" or "wrong".

How about "time of service" figured in? with or without credit for furlough time?

 

[Superpilot92]

Yea, your right. Your colleague is the cool, sarcastic guy. I'm just the uptight serious guy with violations and family issues flying the kid's jet. I will go back to my board, where I belong. So sorry for trying to sit in the front with you. My bad.

That's probably a GREAT idea! CYA :beer:

 

[NEWSOUTH]

:beer:

That's probably a GREAT idea! CYA :beer:

And would'nt won't to BYA:beer:

 

[Deadalus]

Re: Seniority List Integrations, currently NW & DL:
I can't see how they could justify anything OTHER than DOH in a merger of equals, (especially so for the 2008 hires for whom merger talk was ongoing when they elected to take those jobs...why on earth would any from one side be above those on the other side hired before them?). They are now one company of pilots on the same path now.
The ratio lists are all ridiculous too... So right now DL side believes they are what UNITED believed themselves to be several years back (look at THEM now)...
In another venue in the same industry, look what a JOKE NetJets was just a few years ago...now look at them...and they could just as easily go right back where they were. We at FlightOtps used to be the highest paid and fastest growing...now the opposite...It happens over and over again throughout the entire industry.
There is NO logical way to predict "career expectations" in this industry!
THAT said.... I understand (from those posting here anyway) that NW and DL have differences regarding probation and longevity. There is much talk explaining that former NW furloughs get their longevity back (which is good and equal to the DL furloughs)
...but how will these inequities be resolved for those NW guys now on probation? Will recent date of hire DL guys remain with longer longevity than say NW guys hired a couple of months BEFORE them, or will they be made equal citizens like everyone else? If so...will they be given equal citizenship BEFORE an SLI is issued soon (sooner if negotiated), since they seem to not be applying a lot of the integrational issues until "undetermined" dates.
It will make a big difference to those people on your SLI if EVERYONE isn't made "equal" longevity-wise BEFORE the SLI is negotiated or issued.
Also....are both sides using the MOST recent seniority lists with most recent positions held by pilots (this is huge if they DO decide something crazy like "relative position?" (though I don't see how they could when so many people choose lower equip than they can hold due to QOL issues.
This thread isn't for why one side thinks it is better than the other....BTW...enough of those.
Hope your reps are addressing these issues for you and not just the concerns of those not concerned about losing their jobs....
Good luck to all!

You need to change your name dude. You are hardly the voice of reason and Delta and NW are hardly equals. DOH is great within an airline, but is worthless and unjust in a merger.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Tried to come back.... Tried to post... Tried to take a shot at the General's wife...

Realized I have more important things to do with my life....

Have fun, children.

Then you realized trolling the playgrounds was more fun, and productive! :laugh:
AMF!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

....lots of pent up anger typed here

Therapy is good. The nice man next to the couch welcomes you.

 

[MJ42]

Therapy is good. The nice man next to the couch welcomes you.

Didn't you actually mean to quote Scope? If not, you should have!

 

[Monster Buck]

OK... I'm gone. Just trying to show what I have learned about aviation. Over the top? Yes. I do feel bad about the industry. Maybe, I was offering a solution. Maybe, I've seen some stuff that makes me sick to my stomach and I was willing to throw myself to the wolves. Continue on.

Obviously very little. Please leave as you have promised; with your failure, someone who likes to fly can take your place. Yes, you have failed. You spent years to get where you are only to stop because of falling short of your early expectations. You must not have done your homework about the airlines before you tried to work for one.
Next in line please step forword.