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Um no, I would lose over 500 numbers and change my career expectations with the DAL plan. (Not to mention a DAL pilot that started at DAL 8 years after I started at NWA would be senior to me). And that too is my last post on the NWA/DAL steaming pile until it is over (not that I post that often anyway). C ya after 22 Nov.Um no, I would loose well over 400 numbers with DOH. It would also significantly change my career expectations.
Um no, I would loose well over 400 numbers with DOH. It would also significantly change my career expectations.
Okie dokie. I understand now. It would be a travesty to your current seniority and career expectations to lose 400 but for a northwest pilot to lose over a 1000 because we have no expectations is fair. Got ya. If you don't see the hypocracy in this statement and this is the feeling of the delta merger comm. I expect that there is no chance of a consenual agreement. You see, straight doh is not fair to the majority of your list and dalpas proposal is seen as unfair to us. IMHO the arbitrators should pick the middle ground. Even with that I will lose 500 numbers and within that 500 I am sure that some will be younger than I am, thus ending my expectation of being #1 as I currently have.
If we wanted the arbitrators to pick the "middle ground", we would have started with a STAPLE. You guys went for the grandslam, and we went with something that was fairly realistic. It will be a lot closer to ours than yours. You can't deny the fact that the 742s are gone soon, and half or more of your DC9s. That is figured into our proposal, and then it is pretty much relative seniority, which USAir got. It is hard to fight the logic there. Fences too will keep the greenbooks bidding your own widebodies, which should have happened anyway. Your new manning rules (2 Capts over 12 hour flights and 2 FOs) will allow plenty of upgrades on 744s---and rightful seniority will finally prevail on those 744s.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Yup, keep recycling those talking points...maybe in Neverland something becomes true if you repeat it often enough.
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(Not to mention a DAL pilot that started at DAL 8 years after I started at NWA would be senior to me).
How about being relatively close to pre-merger % 10 years from now?What matters is that after this mess is sorted out you can have a position that is relatively close to what you had going in.
Not hardly. Within 10 years the DAL proposal goes from approx. 1.6:1 to 4:1 in favor of DAL. After that it gets to 5:1 in favor of DAL. THAT won't fly. Nope.The DAL proposal does that
Now you're talkin....:beer:Maybe a DOH list with conditions and restrictions will work, we'll see in a week.
Compared to your talking points "DOH, 787, we're older, we are so much more profitable and bring in the money" etc? It sounds a lot like the old USAir East mantra except for the 787 part.
How about "we are the aquirer, we are bigger, we have more widebodies, we are expanding, and we are being more realistic?" Sounds more like it.