JB pilots just got a facial from mgmt.

[oldxfr8dog]

A union on this property would mean the company has no obligation but to our contract we negotiate with them. What obligation do they have now? What obligation will Barger's or Chew's replacement have? They'll be happy to give us our pay/benefit increases-- They didn't give us increases when we had 17% profit margins, what is the threshhold? and us senior guys will be happy for it too. There will have to be some give and take of course; the company is drastically reducing our schedule this fall-- they don't need about 200 pilots I figure. So, bub-bye!!! What do you mean buh-bye? What about the collection of guarantee for the duration of our contracts? We'll get ours, the company will be happy, and then the stage is set for displaced pilots in our ranks. 320/190 Capts down to FO, see what kind of pay cut that'll be!!!

What do you mean, "We'll get ours."?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

That's really easy for you to say when you're a Have vs. a Have-Not.

I'm fine with a union. Lay off about 200-300 guys, who will get a 100% pay cut for our pay raises (cost neutral). Oh by the way, then bump the guys down from Capt to FO on the 320 and 190 and then see what their pay cut will also be. Sometimes, status-quo is not a bad thing!!!

 

[waveflyer]

first year pay down-- fantastic -- keep taking leverage away from the industry-- wages need to flatten out- not the other way around. Especially first year wages. If pilots around the industry knew they could make money in year 1 at the next job- they'd be more willing to take a stand at year 15 in their current one.

THINK LONG TERM

 

[sweptback]

Why on earth would first year pay be lowered?

 

[Motorradfahrer]

Why on earth would first year pay be lowered?

Possible future hiring post Sept. 1st when these pay scales take effect??? We keep hearing that we are overstaffed for now but who knows what will happen a few months down the line if we pick up more E190's and add routes

 

[Spectre]

Look at what hes flown. He is a military guy. They typically dont like unions.

Exactly, he's probably stuck on the thought that doing something for his country is better than doing something for himself.

Here's how a military would operate if their pilots had a union...

"What the f-over, I have to fly an airplane into all of those threat rings...I'll be shot at from AAA and SAMs? Sorry, our new CBA says I don't have to do that."

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Exactly, he's probably stuck on the thought that doing something for his country is better than doing something for himself.

Here's how a military would operate if their pilots had a union...

"What the f-over, I have to fly an airplane into all of those threat rings...I'll be shot at from AAA and SAMs? Sorry, our new CBA says I don't have to do that."

Ridiculous and dishonest comparison.
Your company is NOT your country. I served my country for $98 a month, but I'm not going to donate my time and experience to a for-profit company.
Management's LEGAL responsibility is to the Stockholders and they answer to the BOD. Their job is to minimize costs and that's YOUR paycheck and benefits.
If you own a small, personal business and want to set limits on compensation, fine. I think that's your right.
If you are management for a PUBLICLY owned company and receive bonuses for minimizing employee costs, that's a whole different game.
I owe it to my family to receive fair compensation.

 

[Flyer1015]

I just wanted to say that the thread title is hilarious.

 

[t6av8r]

I am an AA '86 hire, and I'm pissed off. Pilots took a 23% pay cut (along with sick/medical/vacation cuts) to keep the airline out of BR. How does managament show their appreciation? TWO major PUP bonuses in the hundresd of millions of dollars. In 2007 AA earned almost $500M (out trigger for profit sharing). What did we get? $800! That's right.....EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS....BEFORE TAXES! Every employee, from the 777 CA to the most junior toilet cleaner got the exact same thing. CAL 737 CA? $15000. CAL 737 FO? $7000. DAL 737 CA? $7000 (these numbers are approx, but you get my point). CAL management will not take pay or bonuses this year. What as AA managament done besides drive a huge wedge between themselves and the employees.

We need a NATIONAL strike of airline pilots. I don't care what day, but one day ALL airline pilots (yes, JB and AirTran too) need to say "enough is enough" and just sit one out. If you're not willing to fight for your profession, who will? Farris? Icahn? Lorenzo? Carty?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ridiculous and dishonest comparison.
Your company is NOT your country. I served my country for $98 a month, but I'm not going to donate my time and experience to a for-profit company.
Management's LEGAL responsibility is to the Stockholders and they answer to the BOD. Their job is to minimize costs and that's YOUR paycheck and benefits.
If you own a small, personal business and want to set limits on compensation, fine. I think that's your right.
If you are management for a PUBLICLY owned company and receive bonuses for minimizing employee costs, that's a whole different game.
I owe it to my family to receive fair compensation.

Said another way... companies are not in service their country. They do not operate for duty, honor, country....

So should its employees and/or pilots? At a pilots expenses?

We need a NATIONAL strike of airline pilots. I don't care what day, but one day ALL airline pilots (yes, JB and AirTran too) need to say "enough is enough" and just sit one out. If you're not willing to fight for your profession, who will? Farris? Icahn? Lorenzo? Carty?

Know your history...

A national strike is not workable. IN addition the PATCO and APA failures have made unions in effective.

What will work is a National Demonstration. 20,000 pilots on the National Mall in DC is in effect a "strike".

There was a "labor" day in 2007.....on the DC Mall. Want to know how many pilots showed up.... And how close it was to 20,000.

It starts with us.....


The Jet Blue Pilots Association is critical because it will allow the jB pilots to switch from independent contrators (individualists) to professional Air Line Pilots. IOW it will be what I can I do for me... to what can we do for you, the public and the profession.