Question For The Navy Folks

[JoeyC]

Hi All....

I was just wondering if you can return to flight training in the Navy if you previously DOR'ed?

Heres the situation....I commissioned in 2004 and was an SNA selectee. Then, I went to NAMI (Naval Flight Physical) and got the ol' NAMI WAMI. I was pissed and hurt since I had come so far.

I was offered an NFO slot....started API but It just didn't feel right....I guess I was bitter so I DOR'ed.

At that time, then Navy was overstaffed with junior officers and pretty much anyone that DOR'ed or was attrited was going to be sent home. And thats what happened to me.

I'm still in the IRR and lately have been regretting that decision that I made 3 1/2 years ago. just wondering what the process would be or even if its possible to go back?

I'm flying for the regionals now and its just not as exciting as I thought it would be.

Thanks for any input,

Joe C.

 

[PUCKFA18]

Hi All....

I was just wondering if you can return to flight training in the Navy if you previously DOR'ed?

Heres the situation....I commissioned in 2004 and was an SNA selectee. Then, I went to NAMI (Naval Flight Physical) and got the ol' NAMI WAMI. I was pissed and hurt since I had come so far.

I was offered an NFO slot....started API but It just didn't feel right....I guess I was bitter so I DOR'ed.

At that time, then Navy was overstaffed with junior officers and pretty much anyone that DOR'ed or was attrited was going to be sent home. And thats what happened to me.

I'm still in the IRR and lately have been regretting that decision that I made 3 1/2 years ago. just wondering what the process would be or even if its possible to go back?

I'm flying for the regionals now and its just not as exciting as I thought it would be.

Thanks for any input,

Joe C.

From my experience and my .02........ I would say no bro. What busted you at NAMI that wasn't caught in your inital Flt Phys chk during your selection process?

my .02

 

[JoeyC]

slight astigmatism....still good enough for NFO tho

 

[SIG600]

I'd say fat chance, but rumor on the street is the OCS aviation slots were upped by almost 300%. Anything is possible. You'll never know if you don't try, however you were a commissioned officer, and resigned. Pretty big strike against you, the military isn't in the habit of rehiring quitters as harsh as that sounds.

 

[wonka]

Concur with SIG 600. Motivated officers is what we are looking for. Competition is tough.

 

[PUCKFA18]

I'd say fat chance, but rumor on the street is the OCS aviation slots were upped by almost 300%. Anything is possible. You'll never know if you don't try, however you were a commissioned officer, and resigned. Pretty big strike against you, the military isn't in the habit of rehiring quitters as harsh as that sounds.

SIG

Your intel on 7599 slots. Is that AOCS or OCS, or both?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Foley: Mayo, I want you D.O.R.
Mayo: No sir. You can kick me outta here, but I ain't quitting.
Foley: Get into your fatigues, Mayo. By the end of this weekend, you'll quit.


Foley: You can forget it! You're out!
Mayo: Don't you do it! Don't! You... I got nowhere else to go! I got nowhere else to g... I got nothin' else.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Concur with SIG 600. Motivated officers is what we are looking for. Competition is tough.

Umm... I am gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. These days the navy will be glad to have anyone that will volunteer for 12-15 months in the litter box.

But, it's unlikely they will take a guy that DOR'd back. Trust me bro, if you love wiggling the stick you will never be happy as a FO. You got it right the first time.

PS- Rez, that was pretty gay.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

PS- Rez, that was pretty gay.

no...Richard Gere's face when he said I got nowhere else to go was hilarious....

no.... this is gay... very gay in fact...

Maverick: So you were there?
Viper: I was there. What's on your mind?
Maverick: My options, Sir.
Viper: Simple. First you've acquired enough points to show up tomorrow and graduate with your Top Gun class, or you can quit. There'd be no disgrace. That spin was hell, it would've shook me up.
Maverick: So you think I should quit?
Viper: I didn't say that. The simple fact is you feel responsible for Goose and you have a confidence problem. Now I'm not gonna sit here and blow sunshine up your ass, Lieutenant. A good pilot is compelled to evaluate what's happened, so he can apply what he's learned. Up there, we gotta push it. That's our job. It's your option Lieutenant. All yours.
Maverick: Sorry to bother you on a Sunday, Sir, but thank you very much for your time.
Viper: No Problem. Good luck.

 

[Bjammin]

no...Richard Gere's face when he said I got nowhere else to go was hilarious....

no.... this is gay... very gay in fact...

Maverick: So you were there?
Viper: I was there. What's on your mind?
Maverick: My options, Sir.
Viper: Simple. First you've acquired enough points to show up tomorrow and graduate with your Top Gun class, or you can quit. There'd be no disgrace. That spin was hell, it would've shook me up.
Maverick: So you think I should quit?
Viper: I didn't say that. The simple fact is you feel responsible for Goose and you have a confidence problem. Now I'm not gonna sit here and blow sunshine up your ass, Lieutenant. A good pilot is compelled to evaluate what's happened, so he can apply what he's learned. Up there, we gotta push it. That's our job. It's your option Lieutenant. All yours.
Maverick: Sorry to bother you on a Sunday, Sir, but thank you very much for your time.
Viper: No Problem. Good luck.

I think it's more gay you can quote that entire scene.



Don't bother Joey.. If I see you in my squadron I will bash you back to the regionals. I know plenty of NFO's that stuck it out and deserve a CHANCE at a pilot slot.

You QUIT!!!! Anyone else, with or without military experience, deserves a student slot before you.

One of my best buds that wanted a pilot slot initially got NAMI'd and then became a trusted ECMO and freind. He got rejected a second time for pilot just because there were not enough slots. He is still an valuable ECMO today.

If he doesn't get a slot, then you don't deserve flying anything other then from A to B.

....my drunk .02

 

[Huggyu2]

Tough sell, but your timing is good: my Naval buds in TRACOM say the Navy is winging anything with a pulse. Attrition, in the jet pipeline at least, is rare.

 

[VVJM265]

You'll have to submit a packet requesting it, and anything is possible, but if I were on the board reviewing your packet, I'd vote no. I've only been retired from the Navy for a little over a year but I'm pretty sure most of the guys and gals still serving would vote the same way. I had more than my share of tying it up w/ NAMI, almost from the word go, and trust me, a motivated positive attitude from the start goes a long way toward saving a flying career in the Navy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ensign Pulver: Captain, it is I, Ensign Pulver, and I just threw your stinkin' palm tree overboard! Now what's all this crud about no movie tonight?

 

[Occam's Razor]

The lead F-14 pilot during the filming of the movie Top Gun (first one listed in the credits), was a guy who busted the eye test to be a pilot...became an F-14 RIO...then re-treaded as a pilot.

Best line I remember from my F-4 days, spoken by a RIO who went on to 4-star rank: "Never fly with a RIO that doesn't wear glasses...'cuz then you don't know what the hell's wrong with him!"

 

[VVJM265]

The lead F-14 pilot during the filming of the movie Top Gun (first one listed in the credits), was a guy who busted the eye test to be a pilot...became an F-14 RIO...then re-treaded as a pilot.

Best line I remember from my F-4 days, spoken by a RIO who went on to 4-star rank: "Never fly with a RIO that doesn't wear glasses...'cuz then you don't know what the hell's wrong with him!"

Yes, but what is going to be the hurdle for the original poster is his DOR after he had the NFO slot.

 

[pilotyip]

ditto

You'll have to submit a packet requesting it, and anything is possible, but if I were on the board reviewing your packet, I'd vote no. I've only been retired from the Navy for a little over a year but I'm pretty sure most of the guys and gals still serving would vote the same way. I had more than my share of tying it up w/ NAMI, almost from the word go, and trust me, a motivated positive attitude from the start goes a long way toward saving a flying career in the Navy.

All they can do is say no. Look into the other services, USMC, maybe even Army flight training, I know guard units have open pilot slots. Volunteering for an ACDU IA to the sandbox with follow on orders might also work. Of course assuming our new pres. in Nov has any affection for the military.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I say give it a shot -- they are indeed "winging everything with a pulse" and better yet, they are giving everybody hornets in the jet syllabus (no matter how much they suck). Sad to say, but from my peers still flying in the reserves, it's true.

Naval Aviation is changing my friends. Business school took charge of the program and it's been going downhill ever since. Pretty soon, we will be the Air Force.

Bjammin -- you're a d1ck. Give the guy some slack.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

The lead F-14 pilot during the filming of the movie Top Gun (first one listed in the credits), was a guy who busted the eye test to be a pilot...became an F-14 RIO...then re-treaded as a pilot.

Best line I remember from my F-4 days, spoken by a RIO who went on to 4-star rank: "Never fly with a RIO that doesn't wear glasses...'cuz then you don't know what the hell's wrong with him!"

Hell, I used to get some ribbing for wearing contacts (eyes went about 4hrs after my winging to about 20/70 -- must have been that Absinthe I drank all night long at the old NMM O-Club). But having seen many-a pilot squinting to see something off in the distance, I always told my RIOs -- "Look, do you know how many pilots need "cheaters" but don't wear them because their ego won't let them? Trust me, more than you know. Well, is that the pilot you want bringing your fata$$ back aboard the ship at 0300 in pitching seas after a 7 hr mission?"

 

[PUCKFA18]

All they can do is say no. Look into the other services, USMC, maybe even Army flight training, I know guard units have open pilot slots. Volunteering for an ACDU IA to the sandbox with follow on orders might also work. Of course assuming our new pres. in Nov has any affection for the military.

pilotyip: no disrespect sir, but the corps would never take a DOR......

 

[Bjammin]

Bjammin -- you're a d1ck. Give the guy some slack.

If my ECMO buds that i've served with for years don't get a slot why should I let a quitter get his pilot wings before them?

There are NFO's with tons of real world experience that stuck it out just for the chance of getting a slot. Most of them never even b1tched. Tell me how Joey deserves a slot before them?