Any Scoop on what Delta's "New Business Plan" June 12th (Thurs) Announcement Will Be?

[tbkane]

Furloughed for five years at DL??? I was and so were about 400 or more of us. I with 20 others have the longest furlough record at DAL, 5 years 3 months, and that was the longest ever. I am not sure who thinks that DAL didn't have five year furloughs because I am owed some back pay.

 

[macdu]

"Delta management has also stated that their objective is to treat all employees in a fair and equitable manner. "

I think I have heard that line before somewhere, let me think, oh yAA I remember now.

 

[Superpilot92]

Bullsh!t, if NWA a/c are parked then Nalpa pilots should hit the street......end of conversation. I don't care if it is a 2000 hire that gets furloughed ahead of me.....you bring a 40 year old 9 to the table and it gets parked ahead of our 20 yr old 88's......why should I get the axe? I'm tired of politically correct hand holding kumbya BS.....Fences for all of us and let the chips fall where they may.

The scope of the new combined company will be what dictates what happens with the dc9s. Our scope prohibits just parking all of them so it has yet to be seen what happens under the merged carrier. If they are parked after the merger than thats a DAL decision because under a stand alone NWA it wouldnt be an issue right now. You guys are arguing about something that hasnt even happened yet, relax. All the rumors are DAL wants the remaining dc9s as a filler in the current NWA hubs and ATL. DAL is proving right now it wants to reduce the regional feed. The dc9 still has a role in the new combined DAL. Saying a DAL guy shouldn't be effected by aircraft retirements on the NWA side is like saying you have no right to any of the aircraft NWA brings to the table including the 787s that will eventually be here. This is a joint venture and we will prosper or fail as a combined airline.

 

[andyd]

Dude, you are right....I'm just getting frustrated and tired of all this crap already. Hopefully the combined company will keep 'em all, right size the equip for the market/route and continue to axe the capacity out of the 50 seaters and further reducing the ridiculous amount of DCI carriers we have.....flying OUR blockhours. Peace.

 

[Superpilot92]

Dude, you are right....I'm just getting frustrated and tired of all this crap already. Hopefully the combined company will keep 'em all, right size the equip for the market/route and continue to axe the capacity out of the 50 seaters and further reducing the ridiculous amount of DCI carriers we have.....flying OUR blockhours. Peace.

right there with ya. Its frustrating and easy to get bent out of shape but this new airline has a chance of coming out of this looking very good. DAL apparently has every intention of reducing regional feed and both DAL and NWA have ALOT of 50 seat regional jets under the NWA/DAL banners. Anderson has said many times he wants quality and performance to come back up and i think he wants to do that with mainline employees. Since its OUR company who else wants it to be successful more than we do? Regionals are getting a free ride on fuel and profits and i think this will be where that starts to change. The dc9 burns alot of gas but they are paid off and the numbers show that the dc940s and 50's are more cost efficient then the 50 seaters and those models of dc9s will be the majority of the dc9 fleet by the end of the year. more than 50% of the dc9s are going to be DC9-50's. I think they are going to be around for a while until we can get a replacement at mainline. We shall see, in the mean time the best thing we can do is relax and let things take their course. We cant do anything about it either way so why get bent out of shape about stuff that hasnt even happened yet? Cheers :beer:

 

[Cobra17]

Bullsh!t, if NWA a/c are parked then Nalpa pilots should hit the street......end of conversation. I don't care if it is a 2000 hire that gets furloughed ahead of me.....you bring a 40 year old 9 to the table and it gets parked ahead of our 20 yr old 88's......why should I get the axe? I'm tired of politically correct hand holding kumbya BS.....Fences for all of us and let the chips fall where they may.

Fences for the aircraft?

Or the routes?

 

[f9driver]

Lee Moak STFU? I think he knows a bit more of what is going on then you do. Immediate pay parity would be fine. The problem will be when the new Delta starts parking DC9s and 742s, and their pilots start moving down to Compass. Our DL pilots shouldn't have to hit the street for possible parkings of THEIR airplanes. If some of our MD88s etc get parked, then I can understand that.(we are new 777s and 73NGs in the meantime, though) But, our guys shouldn't have to leave if their NWA planes go to the desert. If that isn't addressed in our "joint contract" with regards to scope and minimum mainline planes on the property, then that is ALSO the fault of both MECs.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

How generous of you Lee! You really do have a serious ethics problem.

 

[andyd]

We cant do anything about it either way so why get bent out of shape about stuff that hasnt even happened yet? Cheers :beer:

Agreed 1000%, I just need to stay off of this board....it's not good for my attitude and outlook. Looking forward to beers with ya'll......as long as the mugs are frosty and NOT the ground!

 

[General Lee]

Fences for the aircraft?

Or the routes?

There wouldn't be fences on the routes. I have heard that route planning is salivating thinking about putting a 744 on the ATL-NRT route, and a bunch of other changes to "right size" routes with planes. I don't know how long the DC9s are going to stick around, but they are the closest thing to a 100 seater that we have now, except for the 737-700s that will be doing other types of missions--like Vail and Quito supposedly.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

How generous of you Lee! You really do have a serious ethics problem.

Ethics? Would it be "fair" to bring certain planes to the table that would "likely" be parked first, and then park our guys with them? Ummmmmm, NO. We should fence those DC9s for 5 years. Why? The senior NWA guys probably want to fence the 744s, so why not the DC9s on the bottom? Sounds fair to all of us.

F9driver, explain what you would do to be "ethical" please.....have our guys furloughed on planes they never flew or intended to fly?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

Ethics? Would it be "fair" to bring certain planes to the table that would "likely" be parked first, and then park our guys with them? Ummmmmm, NO. We should fence those DC9s for 5 years. Why? The senior NWA guys probably want to fence the 744s, so why not the DC9s on the bottom? Sounds fair to all of us.

F9driver, explain what you would do to be "ethical" please.....have our guys furloughed on planes they never flew or intended to fly?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Give it a rest GL

 

[General Lee]

Give it a rest GL

I hope they aren't parked, but F9 said I wasn't being ethical.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

General,

With all due respect you keep forgetting to include the fact that DAL has had extraordinary pilot attrition.

We HAD a great deal of early retirements, but that's old news already.

Of the approximate 2500 pilots who retired between 2002 and 2005, approximately 1750 would have already retired by Dec 2007, when the law changed to age 65. So you are talking about 750 pilots, of which approximately 250 were on long term disability, so they were not holding a category. Of the approximately 500 pilots remaining, 1/3rd of them would not be in the top 33% of the seniority list today. The total bump from early retirements today is about 350 numbers.

Regardless, you are not merging with the Delta seniority list from 2002, but with the Delta seniority list in 2008, 2009, or whenever the snap shot is taken. Our seniority list is what it is, and it is a reality that you will have to come to grips with, along with the fact that we have significantly more wide bodied aircraft, significantly more 757s and more international flying which will also play a large role in the SLI.

At the end of the day we all seek a fair SLI. If you are on the bottom of the list and all you can hold based strictly on seniority is a DC-9 F/O position, then that's what you hold after the SLI. If you are in the NWA 30th percentile and can hold an A320 CA position, then you'll be behind every Delta pilots who can hold captain on the 767/757, 767ER, 767-400, 777 and possibly the 737-800. If you are in the 25th percentile at DAL and can 767ER captain, then you should be senior to any NWA pilot who, based strictly on his seniority number, can hold the 757 or below.

At NWA we have not. This is the big difference.

Not as big as you think. A bigger factor is that DAL has hired more pilots in the last 12 years than NWA, and DAL is in the middle of explosive international growth.


Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough.

We've had pilots on 5+ year furloughs also, the biggest difference between our furloughs and your were that our pilots actually accrued longevity while on furlough. Their expectations are 5 years ahead of their counterparts at NWA because they have 5 additional years of longevity.

 

[cessnapilot]

Ethics? Would it be "fair" to bring certain planes to the table that would "likely" be parked first, and then park our guys with them? Ummmmmm, NO. We should fence those DC9s for 5 years. Why? The senior NWA guys probably want to fence the 744s, so why not the DC9s on the bottom? Sounds fair to all of us.

F9driver, explain what you would do to be "ethical" please.....have our guys furloughed on planes they never flew or intended to fly?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Part of the deal that is so good to both companies is having planes that are paid for that can be parked. With ANY merger out there, planes will be parked. Even if every plane were the same type and perfect for the route. It's just a fact that an airline with 800+ planes isn't going to exist in this market. So in the end, it isn't relevant who brings what planes to the table, its the end business plan that matters. Lets face it, you are nothing but a heavy equipment operator... same as me.

 

[General Lee]

Part of the deal that is so good to both companies is having planes that are paid for that can be parked. With ANY merger out there, planes will be parked. Even if every plane were the same type and perfect for the route. It's just a fact that an airline with 800+ planes isn't going to exist in this market. So in the end, it isn't relevant who brings what planes to the table, its the end business plan that matters. Lets face it, you are nothing but a heavy equipment operator... same as me.

True, but the amount of planes that are LIKELY to be parked are more on your side. That is important. Some planes are not made for a high oil environment. We can only hope they stick around longer than most people think they will. Fingers crossed.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Ah, this post is so much better when Tanker Clown (aka dumbass) is on your ignore list. I feel smarter instantly.

YUP, and General Lee just got added back on...what a raving sociopath....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I was going to make a comment but there are two pages here that are absolutely worthless.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

ANDERSON ON CNBC THIS am

Caught only the last 5 mins of Anderson on CNBC this am...anyone see the whole thing? Didn't seem like anything earth shattering....prices will go up...no more $100 fares to leisure places like MCO...Summer bookings look good, but they have no idea what's in store for Fall... Anchor asked if they would eventually need to cut capacity to meet demand, and he said "Bingo!" that of course they'd have to cut capacity if the demand is not there.
Was there ANYTHING worthwhile in the previous part of that interview, because this was quite anticlimactic for a "New Business Plan" if that was it... Don't see any press releases either.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

HERE's the VIDEO

Here's the video of the CNBC interview from their site...no time to watch, gotta run....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=768944643&play=1

 

[Voice Of Reason]

ONE more thing... (to wait for)

"
Delta Air Lines President and Chief Financial Officer to Present at the 2008 Merrill Lynch Global Transportation Conference

WHAT:Delta Air Lines invites shareowners, the investment community and the media to listen to a live Webcast of Delta’s President and Chief Financial Officer Edward H. Bastian’s presentation at the 2008 Merrill Lynch Global Transportation Conference at 6:15 p.m. ET, Wednesday, June 18, 2008.
WHO: Edward H. Bastian – President and Chief Financial Officer
WEB ADDRESS: The meeting can be accessed via the World Wide Web at http://www.delta.com/about_delta/investor_relations/webcasts/index.jsp
SPECIAL NOTICE: The online replay will be available at the same site shortly after the Webcast is complete until July 2, 2008. "

 

[Draginass]

The best part of the CNBC interview was that the infamous Don Carty (of the infamous Carty Bros. airline wreckers fame) was helping to interview Richard Anderson. Sounded like old-home week. Very cozy. Of course, it was CNBC, of course . . . not known as a bastion of anything more that friendly cheap pap interviews of corporate CEOs.

If anyone is naive enough to believe anything Anderson or Carty says, you get what you deserve.

 

[Jmoney]

It's a brand new idea. It's a new and improved airline within an airline. It will be called Sang. They'll paint the jets a gawd awful color and then undo the whole thing a couple of years later. The key to it will be making sure that retards like Gerbil Lee tell everyone it's going to rule.

I second that! AWESOME business plan!

-Eat It-General!!

 

[737 Pylt]

Caught only the last 5 mins of Anderson on CNBC this am...anyone see the whole thing? Didn't seem like anything earth shattering....prices will go up...no more $100 fares to leisure places like MCO...Summer bookings look good, but they have no idea what's in store for Fall... Anchor asked if they would eventually need to cut capacity to meet demand, and he said "Bingo!" that of course they'd have to cut capacity if the demand is not there.
Was there ANYTHING worthwhile in the previous part of that interview, because this was quite anticlimactic for a "New Business Plan" if that was it... Don't see any press releases either.

Must you yell every time you write?

737

 

[General Lee]

Omg! Here It Is, The Announcement We Have All Been Waiting For.....

Press ReleaseSource: Delta Air Lines, Inc.


Delta Air Lines Begins Nonstop Service From New York-JFK to Antigua and Barbuda



Thursday June 12, 10:28 am ET

NEW YORK, June 12, 2008 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE:DAL - News) today launches nonstop service today from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport to Antigua and Barbuda as part of its continued expansion in the Caribbean.


This flight complements Delta's existing nonstop service to Antigua and Barbuda from Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
A prime spot for snorkeling and scuba diving among spectacular coral reef, Antigua (pronounced An-tee'ga) and Barbuda are two islands that comprise one country located in the middle of the Leeward Islands in the Eastern Caribbean. Barbuda also offers bird watching enthusiasts a significant bird sanctuary in the region.

``Delta continues to open new Caribbean routes out of JFK to bring New Yorkers closer to beautiful beaches, sun, and relaxation,'' said Christophe Didier, Delta's vice president of Sales and Government Affairs in Latin America and the Caribbean for Delta Air Lines. ``We have started more than 10 new routes in the Caribbean basin in the last couple of years, many of them departing from JFK as part of our continued international expansion.''

Delta's new flight will operate Thursdays and Sundays, beginning June 12. Flights are available for sale at delta.com and other ticketing channels and are scheduled as follows:

527 New York-JFK at Antigua and Thursday, Sunday 8:40 a.m. Barbuda at 1:20 p.m. ------- --------------------- ---------------- -----------------
528 Antigua and New York-JFK at Thursday, Sunday Barbuda at 2:20 p.m. 6:47 p.m.



This ia ALL I see today in the press, so far. 2 Weekly flights from JFK to Antigua and Barbuda.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Caught only the last 5 mins of Anderson on CNBC this am...anyone see the whole thing? Didn't seem like anything earth shattering....prices will go up...no more $100 fares to leisure places like MCO...Summer bookings look good, but they have no idea what's in store for Fall... Anchor asked if they would eventually need to cut capacity to meet demand, and he said "Bingo!" that of course they'd have to cut capacity if the demand is not there.
Was there ANYTHING worthwhile in the previous part of that interview, because this was quite anticlimactic for a "New Business Plan" if that was it... Don't see any press releases either.

You think? I think instead they should add 100's of flights in September alone, the month that is historically our slowest month.....yeah, that's the ticket....and we should lease A380s for that month too, to Valdosta.......


You are a moron.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It there is anything it will be late in the day of after business tomorrow.
Not sure if DAL can announce anything when it comes to NWA. Looks North for that.

 

[Jmoney]

Must you yell every time you write?

737

This is a web-board, 737tard.... We don't have the capability to "yell" here. This effect you are referencing as "yelling" is actually known by most literate people as bold lettering.

I had a suspicion you were a complete moron, but I had no idea we had barely begun to scratch the surface.

You really are a special type of retard, general.....

-But not in a good way!

 

[3ds]

General,

With all due respect you keep forgetting to include the fact that DAL has had extraordinary pilot attrition. At NWA we have not. This is the big difference. I appreciate the fact that you want your pilots to finish ahead of ours. It is natural to "feel" that way. But you know what the facts are. I think whatever fallout occurs must be done in a fair and equitable manner.

NWA pilots have career expectations just like you. You were thrust about 5 years ahead of what you thought you were going to be at this point. Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough.

I am trying not to get emotional about this whole seniority issue. But when we start talking about furloughs, I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment that it isn't fair for a DL pilot to be furloughed before an NWA pilot, particularly if the NWA guy has endured a 5 year furlough.

It's just my honest opinion. I know you feel differently and that's okay. It will all get hammered out and I am sure both MECs will be able to look at it objectively without emotion at some point.

ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT

NO HARMONIZATION, PERIOD

You´re right. if jets get parked it should be UAL, CAL, and SWA, UPS, FX, etc pilots that get furloughed before DAL or NWA pilots.

 

[Superpilot92]

You´re right. if jets get parked it should be UAL, CAL, and SWA, UPS, FX, etc pilots that get furloughed before DAL or NWA pilots.

Thats not what he was saying so Congratulations!! Dumb post award goes to you!!

 

[DAL737FO]

"NWA pilots have career expectations just like you. You were thrust about 5 years ahead of what you thought you were going to be at this point. Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough."

This is where you are mislead. Yes we had a lot of early retirements, however it only helped the top part of the list. I know you are saying this guy is crazy but while the top of the list was moving up, so we now have 53 year old 777 Captains, the bottom was coming up to meet us. If we hadn't parked the L1011, MD-11, B767-200, B727, B737-300/G/200 then I would have to agree with you but we did so while the upper part of the list is sitting pretty it is just now starting to help out the lower part of the list due to international expansion which required more pilots.

I see that you were furloughed so was I and many other pilots here at Delta. Unfortunately for you, unless the lower part of the list ends up going date of hire then you very well may have someone post furlough ahead of you on the combined list. This is just a matter of us outpacing you at NWA during this hiring cycle. We have about 650 new hires here at Delta, maybe more if we start hiring again in the fall as rumored. Last time I looked you guys have about 5,300 pilots on your seniority list so our 650 new hires are roughly 12% of your list. You expect all of them to be tacked on the bottom just because you were furloughed and they weren't. I don't see an arbitrator seeing it that way. You sure would have some furlough buffer for yourself then.