Any Scoop on what Delta's "New Business Plan" June 12th (Thurs) Announcement Will Be?

[General Lee]

You're such a pointless, repetitive parrot that YOU don't understand that your replies are not in any way applicable to the posts you are referring to. Whatever you are babbling has no relation to DraginAss's response.
Reading IS so very Fundamental.
Guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow for the info (which you will be sure to start your own new thread about) after hitting refresh on google news 5766555677899 times.

Repetitive? Mike Campbell, Mike Campbell, Mike Campbell------can you say that again? And guess what? Things MAY ACTUALLY CHANGE IN THE BUSINESS PLAN......OOOOOOH. Ahhhhh. So? The economy is changing infront of our eyes as we speak. I think a lot more will change for other carriers, though. We need less RJs. There, I solved it. Bye now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Ah, this post is so much better when Tanker Clown (aka dumbass) is on your ignore list. I feel smarter instantly.

Even my life is better thanks to Tanky and Jmoney being on the ignore list. I am considering Voice of reason because he is becoming "Voice of annoying know it all who is in love with Mike Campbell."

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dont know but this is a good sign. :beer:

"Captain Dave Stevens, NWA MEC Chairman, met on Tuesday evening with Richard Anderson, Ed Bastian, Lee Moak and Captain John Prater, ALPA President. During this meeting, Delta management stated that a joint contract results in maximum revenue enhancements for the new merged airline and agreed to move quickly to achieve a joint contract. Delta management has also stated that their objective is to treat all employees in a fair and equitable manner. Therefore, your MEC remains steadfast in their belief that a joint contract can be negotiated in an expedited fashion. The NWA MEC has not wavered in its unanimous resolve for immediate contract and pay parity."

Wait, it doesn't say anything about Mike Campbell? Voice of Reason is getting nervous......

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedRum]

Lee Moak STFU? I think he knows a bit more of what is going on then you do. Immediate pay parity would be fine. The problem will be when the new Delta starts parking DC9s and 742s, and their pilots start moving down to Compass. Our DL pilots shouldn't have to hit the street for possible parkings of THEIR airplanes. If some of our MD88s etc get parked, then I can understand that.(we are new 777s and 73NGs in the meantime, though) But, our guys shouldn't have to leave if their NWA planes go to the desert. If that isn't addressed in our "joint contract" with regards to scope and minimum mainline planes on the property, then that is ALSO the fault of both MECs.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

With all due respect you keep forgetting to include the fact that DAL has had extraordinary pilot attrition. At NWA we have not. This is the big difference. I appreciate the fact that you want your pilots to finish ahead of ours. It is natural to "feel" that way. But you know what the facts are. I think whatever fallout occurs must be done in a fair and equitable manner.

NWA pilots have career expectations just like you. You were thrust about 5 years ahead of what you thought you were going to be at this point. Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough.

I am trying not to get emotional about this whole seniority issue. But when we start talking about furloughs, I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment that it isn't fair for a DL pilot to be furloughed before an NWA pilot, particularly if the NWA guy has endured a 5 year furlough.

It's just my honest opinion. I know you feel differently and that's okay. It will all get hammered out and I am sure both MECs will be able to look at it objectively without emotion at some point.

ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT

NO HARMONIZATION, PERIOD

 

[Cobra17]

Heard there was a run on anal lube at the Stopover Store.

 

[clippyrip]

If Delta management parks NWA aircraft then the furloughs will be shared by all.

 

[andyd]

Bullsh!t, if NWA a/c are parked then Nalpa pilots should hit the street......end of conversation. I don't care if it is a 2000 hire that gets furloughed ahead of me.....you bring a 40 year old 9 to the table and it gets parked ahead of our 20 yr old 88's......why should I get the axe? I'm tired of politically correct hand holding kumbya BS.....Fences for all of us and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[rf285]

General,

With all due respect you keep forgetting to include the fact that DAL has had extraordinary pilot attrition. At NWA we have not. This is the big difference. I appreciate the fact that you want your pilots to finish ahead of ours. It is natural to "feel" that way. But you know what the facts are. I think whatever fallout occurs must be done in a fair and equitable manner.

NWA pilots have career expectations just like you. You were thrust about 5 years ahead of what you thought you were going to be at this point. Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough.

I am trying not to get emotional about this whole seniority issue. But when we start talking about furloughs, I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment that it isn't fair for a DL pilot to be furloughed before an NWA pilot, particularly if the NWA guy has endured a 5 year furlough.

It's just my honest opinion. I know you feel differently and that's okay. It will all get hammered out and I am sure both MECs will be able to look at it objectively without emotion at some point.

ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT

NO HARMONIZATION, PERIOD

Of those early outs that "thrusted" DAL pilots ahead five years, only about 300 or so would be here still if there had been no lump sum payout due to Age 60. Wrong on that point. Oh, I think we had furloughs from October '01 until January '07. Public math alert.... more than five years. No difference with the NWA boys.

Need some better points bud.

 

[clippyrip]

Bullsh!t, if NWA a/c are parked then Nalpa pilots should hit the street......end of conversation. I don't care if it is a 2000 hire that gets furloughed ahead of me.....you bring a 40 year old 9 to the table and it gets parked ahead of our 20 yr old 88's......why should I get the axe? I'm tired of politically correct hand holding kumbya BS.....Fences for all of us and let the chips fall where they may.

Nope. If Delta management makes decisions about NWA aircraft, then we share the pain.

As it stands now, NWA cannot park any more DC9s. The only way to do that is loosening scope in the joint contract. If the Delta MEC loosens our scope then we share the pain.

 

[Superpilot92]

Lee Moak STFU? I think he knows a bit more of what is going on then you do. Immediate pay parity would be fine. The problem will be when the new Delta starts parking DC9s and 742s, and their pilots start moving down to Compass. Our DL pilots shouldn't have to hit the street for possible parkings of THEIR airplanes. If some of our MD88s etc get parked, then I can understand that.(we are new 777s and 73NGs in the meantime, though) But, our guys shouldn't have to leave if their NWA planes go to the desert. If that isn't addressed in our "joint contract" with regards to scope and minimum mainline planes on the property, then that is ALSO the fault of both MECs.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

you do realize that from the day this merger goes through that all new aircraft will be financed with both NWA and DAL money right? The continued expansion during these tough times will continue primarily because of the new combined DALs financial position. Without NWA things would be coming to a crawl at both NWA and DAL. This is a combination of BOTH companies and that will be what allows the growth to continue during this mess of an economy. Relax a bit on the continued banter against us NWA guys we are about to be on the same team rooting for the same things. :beer: