Any Scoop on what Delta's "New Business Plan" June 12th (Thurs) Announcement Will Be?

[Voice Of Reason]

Any Scoop on what Delta's "New Business Plan" June 12th (Thurs) Announcement Will Be?

Is tomorrow still the day (Thurs. June 12th) of the big "New Business Plan" announcement, or will it be Friday after bell closing (which is never a good sign)?

 

[General Lee]

Is tomorrow still the day (Thurs. June 12th) of the big "New Business Plan" announcement, or will it be Friday after bell closing (which is never a good sign)?

I thought it was tomorrow, the 12th. I have no clue what it will say, but Ed Bastain has made statements lately (to the NWA MEC for example on June 3rd) that have stated no pilot furloughs. We shall see I guess. I hope they can more RJs and add more INTL routes. Sounds like what they have been doing lately, although that wouldn't be a "new business plan" if they have been doing that lately..... Maybe it will be the opposite---buy more 50 seaters and add more domestic flights with them, to a never ending loss.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I thought it was tomorrow, the 12th.
Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes, like I said...tomorrow, Thurs June 12th.
:erm:

 

[General Lee]

Yes, like I said...tomorrow, Thurs June 12th.
:erm:

You also said it could be Friday after the bell. I said it would be tomorrow. You're welcome.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

It's a brand new idea. It's a new and improved airline within an airline. It will be called Sang. They'll paint the jets a gawd awful color and then undo the whole thing a couple of years later. The key to it will be making sure that retards like Gerbil Lee tell everyone it's going to rule.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

You also said it could be Friday after the bell. I said it would be tomorrow. You're welcome.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I said "or will it be Friday...." as in delay, delay, delay as per usual M.O. (Friday after bell meaning no good agreement in sight for the merger internally).
No need for the "you're welcome," I know how it kills you...

 

[Voice Of Reason]

This message is hidden because Tanker Clown is on your ignore list.

Oh Gahd...someone normal reply please?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Maybe it's an airline within and airline within an airline. So it will go Delta, Song, then Turd. Turd will be like Delta in the fact that their lavs stink and the pilots can't stay on taxiways...but they won't charge to check the second bag.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Company Spokesman Lee Moak Addresses his Public each day

Looks like your whole "Team" Met Today... 1hr ago article AJC

ajc.com > Business > Delta
Northwest, Delta pilot reps still talking

By KELLY YAMANOUCHI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/11/08Union negotiators representing pilots from Northwest Airlines and Delta Air Lines met Wednesday in Atlanta to continue discussions for joint contract negotiations with Delta.
Atlanta-based Delta and Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest are working toward their proposed merger announced in April.
Delta's pilots ratified a labor agreement in May that includes annual pay raises, which would take effect if the merger is completed.
Northwest's pilots union leadership has told members it wants immediate pay parity. Lee Moak, chairman of the Delta Air Line Pilots Association unit, said: "I'm confident that will be the joint position of the team."uke:<--(ed--Attn Lee Moak STFU already)

In a filing to the U.S. Department of Transportation last week, Northwest's pilots union said that, without a contract including Northwest pilots, "the annual costs from labor friction in both Delta's and Northwest's pilot groups will be substantial, and the supposed gains from the merger will only diminish."

 

[General Lee]

This message is hidden because Tanker Clown is on your ignore list.

Along with Jmoney, those two ignores are the best two things I have EVER done on this board. Worthless trash.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Looks like your whole "Team" Met Today... 1hr ago article AJC

ajc.com > Business > Delta
Northwest, Delta pilot reps still talking

By KELLY YAMANOUCHI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/11/08Union negotiators representing pilots from Northwest Airlines and Delta Air Lines met Wednesday in Atlanta to continue discussions for joint contract negotiations with Delta.
Atlanta-based Delta and Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest are working toward their proposed merger announced in April.
Delta's pilots ratified a labor agreement in May that includes annual pay raises, which would take effect if the merger is completed.
Northwest's pilots union leadership has told members it wants immediate pay parity. Lee Moak, chairman of the Delta Air Line Pilots Association unit, said: "I'm confident that will be the joint position of the team."uke:<--(ed--Attn Lee Moak STFU already)

In a filing to the U.S. Department of Transportation last week, Northwest's pilots union said that, without a contract including Northwest pilots, "the annual costs from labor friction in both Delta's and Northwest's pilot groups will be substantial, and the supposed gains from the merger will only diminish."

Lee Moak STFU? I think he knows a bit more of what is going on then you do. Immediate pay parity would be fine. The problem will be when the new Delta starts parking DC9s and 742s, and their pilots start moving down to Compass. Our DL pilots shouldn't have to hit the street for possible parkings of THEIR airplanes. If some of our MD88s etc get parked, then I can understand that.(we are new 777s and 73NGs in the meantime, though) But, our guys shouldn't have to leave if their NWA planes go to the desert. If that isn't addressed in our "joint contract" with regards to scope and minimum mainline planes on the property, then that is ALSO the fault of both MECs.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Lee Moak STFU? I think he knows a bit more of what is going on then you do. Immediate pay parity would be fine. The problem will be when the new Delta starts parking DC9s and 742s, and their pilots start moving down to Compass. Our DL pilots shouldn't have to hit the street for possible parkings of THEIR airplanes. If some of our MD88s etc get parked, then I can understand that.(we are new 777s and 73NGs in the meantime, though) But, our guys shouldn't have to leave if their NWA planes go to the desert. If that isn't addressed in our "joint contract" with regards to scope and minimum mainline planes on the property, then that is ALSO the fault of both MECs.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Leave the same old repeat mode bs on the 90 other threads you wrote it on. I didn't ask for your pontificating about sh*t, I asked if anyone had semi-remotely reliable scoop on tomorrow's (alleged) announcement.
As for Lee Moak, he is an embarrassment to Alpa and is in NO position to be the mouthpiece/PR man for the company. His goal seems to be getting his name in the paper as much as possible...odd for a UNION "chairman".

 

[Draginass]

The "Plan" or the "Real Plan?"

The "Plan" is no furloughs, great growth, big profits.

The "Real Plan" is make a zillion dollars for the company execs, have massive furloughs especially at NW, park the DC9s and transfer the widebodies to Delta and make a zillion dollars for the company execs. Oh, I said that already. OK, two zillion dollars for the company execs. The zillion dollar part is followed by the "surprise" revelation that the integration costs of the merger are much steeper than expected and fuel costs are way up, and that very deep concessions are demanded from DALPA . . . . which they genuflect to, as usual. The NW guys are still militant, but there's not enough left to influence events. DAL eventually files BK again, just before which the executive make another zillion dollars for sticking around a few months to get the BK started.

Is there anybody out there that is stupid enough to actually believe Anderson and Steenland?????

 

[Tanker Clown]

The "Plan" or the "Real Plan?"

The "Plan" is no furloughs, great growth, big profits.

The "Real Plan" is make a zillion dollars for the company execs, have massive furloughs especially at NW, park the DC9s and transfer the widebodies to Delta and make a zillion dollars for the company execs. Oh, I said that already. OK, two zillion dollars for the company execs. The zillion dollar part is followed by the "surprise" revelation that the integration costs of the merger are much steeper than expected and fuel costs are way up, and that very deep concessions are demanded from DALPA . . . . which they genuflect to, as usual. The NW guys are still militant, but there's not enough left to influence events. DAL eventually files BK again, just before which the executive make another zillion dollars for sticking around a few months to get the BK started.

Is there anybody out there that is stupid enough to actually believe Anderson and Steenland?????

Watch out Draginass. Gerbil Lee will get upset since you aren't saying that Delta will rule the world. I'm sure you will soon be on his ignore list. Before long, I'm sure everyone will. All he'll have left is the hole he sticks his head in everyday.

 

[Superpilot92]

Dont know but this is a good sign. :beer:

"Captain Dave Stevens, NWA MEC Chairman, met on Tuesday evening with Richard Anderson, Ed Bastian, Lee Moak and Captain John Prater, ALPA President. During this meeting, Delta management stated that a joint contract results in maximum revenue enhancements for the new merged airline and agreed to move quickly to achieve a joint contract. Delta management has also stated that their objective is to treat all employees in a fair and equitable manner. Therefore, your MEC remains steadfast in their belief that a joint contract can be negotiated in an expedited fashion. The NWA MEC has not wavered in its unanimous resolve for immediate contract and pay parity."

 

[Voice Of Reason]

The "Plan" or the "Real Plan?"

The "Plan" is no furloughs, great growth, big profits.

The "Real Plan" is make a zillion dollars for the company execs, have massive furloughs especially at NW, park the DC9s and transfer the widebodies to Delta and make a zillion dollars for the company execs. Oh, I said that already. OK, two zillion dollars for the company execs. The zillion dollar part is followed by the "surprise" revelation that the integration costs of the merger are much steeper than expected and fuel costs are way up, and that very deep concessions are demanded from DALPA . . . . which they genuflect to, as usual. The NW guys are still militant, but there's not enough left to influence events. DAL eventually files BK again, just before which the executive make another zillion dollars for sticking around a few months to get the BK started.

Is there anybody out there that is stupid enough to actually believe Anderson and Steenland?????

:laugh:

I definitely nominate this post of the year, because, though funny, it is sadly likely that he just gave us all a glimpse into exactly how things will pan out there, step by step.

It's hard to be positive when one of the founding members of Ford & Harrison is helping Bastian run the show at Delta.... Their MO with every other aviation outfit they have EVER touched has been destructive to say the least. :angryfire
They looove to get your hopes up (and defenses down) before they stab you in the back when it is least expected.
Then again, maybe the announcement is just that they are actually renaming it "New Global Airline" to make everyone feel whole again....
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BTW--Loooooove the disclaimer on the website. Has FUD & Harrison written all over it:
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[General Lee]

With $6 or $7 Billion in cash, we will outlast most of the others. That is the point. Neither you nor Draginass can understand that apparently. Yes, management will make a lot of money, but eventually there will be less management around because there will be less airlines around. There could be furloughs and there could be airplane parkings, but the ones with the strongest networks and largest cash piles will outlast the others.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Voice Of Reason]

With $6 or $7 Billion in cash, we will outlast most of the others. That is the point. Neither you nor Draginass can understand that apparently. Yes, management will make a lot of money, but eventually there will be less management around because there will be less airlines around. There could be furloughs and there could be airplane parkings, but the ones with the strongest networks and largest cash piles will outlast the others.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You're such a pointless, repetitive parrot that YOU don't understand that your replies are not in any way applicable to the posts you are referring to. Whatever you are babbling has no relation to DraginAss's response.
Reading IS so very Fundamental.
Guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow for the info (which you will be sure to start your own new thread about) after hitting refresh on google news 5766555677899 times.

 

[Tanker Clown]

With $6 or $7 Billion in cash, we will outlast most of the others. That is the point. Neither you nor Draginass can understand that apparently. Yes, management will make a lot of money, but eventually there will be less management around because there will be less airlines around. There could be furloughs and there could be airplane parkings, but the ones with the strongest networks and largest cash piles will outlast the others.


Bye Bye---General Lee

That's almost what Delta loses per quarter!:laugh:

 

[jester757]

Ah, this post is so much better when Tanker Clown (aka dumbass) is on your ignore list. I feel smarter instantly.

 

[General Lee]

You're such a pointless, repetitive parrot that YOU don't understand that your replies are not in any way applicable to the posts you are referring to. Whatever you are babbling has no relation to DraginAss's response.
Reading IS so very Fundamental.
Guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow for the info (which you will be sure to start your own new thread about) after hitting refresh on google news 5766555677899 times.

Repetitive? Mike Campbell, Mike Campbell, Mike Campbell------can you say that again? And guess what? Things MAY ACTUALLY CHANGE IN THE BUSINESS PLAN......OOOOOOH. Ahhhhh. So? The economy is changing infront of our eyes as we speak. I think a lot more will change for other carriers, though. We need less RJs. There, I solved it. Bye now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Ah, this post is so much better when Tanker Clown (aka dumbass) is on your ignore list. I feel smarter instantly.

Even my life is better thanks to Tanky and Jmoney being on the ignore list. I am considering Voice of reason because he is becoming "Voice of annoying know it all who is in love with Mike Campbell."

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dont know but this is a good sign. :beer:

"Captain Dave Stevens, NWA MEC Chairman, met on Tuesday evening with Richard Anderson, Ed Bastian, Lee Moak and Captain John Prater, ALPA President. During this meeting, Delta management stated that a joint contract results in maximum revenue enhancements for the new merged airline and agreed to move quickly to achieve a joint contract. Delta management has also stated that their objective is to treat all employees in a fair and equitable manner. Therefore, your MEC remains steadfast in their belief that a joint contract can be negotiated in an expedited fashion. The NWA MEC has not wavered in its unanimous resolve for immediate contract and pay parity."

Wait, it doesn't say anything about Mike Campbell? Voice of Reason is getting nervous......

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedRum]

Lee Moak STFU? I think he knows a bit more of what is going on then you do. Immediate pay parity would be fine. The problem will be when the new Delta starts parking DC9s and 742s, and their pilots start moving down to Compass. Our DL pilots shouldn't have to hit the street for possible parkings of THEIR airplanes. If some of our MD88s etc get parked, then I can understand that.(we are new 777s and 73NGs in the meantime, though) But, our guys shouldn't have to leave if their NWA planes go to the desert. If that isn't addressed in our "joint contract" with regards to scope and minimum mainline planes on the property, then that is ALSO the fault of both MECs.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

With all due respect you keep forgetting to include the fact that DAL has had extraordinary pilot attrition. At NWA we have not. This is the big difference. I appreciate the fact that you want your pilots to finish ahead of ours. It is natural to "feel" that way. But you know what the facts are. I think whatever fallout occurs must be done in a fair and equitable manner.

NWA pilots have career expectations just like you. You were thrust about 5 years ahead of what you thought you were going to be at this point. Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough.

I am trying not to get emotional about this whole seniority issue. But when we start talking about furloughs, I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment that it isn't fair for a DL pilot to be furloughed before an NWA pilot, particularly if the NWA guy has endured a 5 year furlough.

It's just my honest opinion. I know you feel differently and that's okay. It will all get hammered out and I am sure both MECs will be able to look at it objectively without emotion at some point.

ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT

NO HARMONIZATION, PERIOD

 

[Cobra17]

Heard there was a run on anal lube at the Stopover Store.

 

[clippyrip]

If Delta management parks NWA aircraft then the furloughs will be shared by all.

 

[andyd]

Bullsh!t, if NWA a/c are parked then Nalpa pilots should hit the street......end of conversation. I don't care if it is a 2000 hire that gets furloughed ahead of me.....you bring a 40 year old 9 to the table and it gets parked ahead of our 20 yr old 88's......why should I get the axe? I'm tired of politically correct hand holding kumbya BS.....Fences for all of us and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[rf285]

General,

With all due respect you keep forgetting to include the fact that DAL has had extraordinary pilot attrition. At NWA we have not. This is the big difference. I appreciate the fact that you want your pilots to finish ahead of ours. It is natural to "feel" that way. But you know what the facts are. I think whatever fallout occurs must be done in a fair and equitable manner.

NWA pilots have career expectations just like you. You were thrust about 5 years ahead of what you thought you were going to be at this point. Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough.

I am trying not to get emotional about this whole seniority issue. But when we start talking about furloughs, I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment that it isn't fair for a DL pilot to be furloughed before an NWA pilot, particularly if the NWA guy has endured a 5 year furlough.

It's just my honest opinion. I know you feel differently and that's okay. It will all get hammered out and I am sure both MECs will be able to look at it objectively without emotion at some point.

ONE AIRLINE, ONE CONTRACT

NO HARMONIZATION, PERIOD

Of those early outs that "thrusted" DAL pilots ahead five years, only about 300 or so would be here still if there had been no lump sum payout due to Age 60. Wrong on that point. Oh, I think we had furloughs from October '01 until January '07. Public math alert.... more than five years. No difference with the NWA boys.

Need some better points bud.

 

[clippyrip]

Bullsh!t, if NWA a/c are parked then Nalpa pilots should hit the street......end of conversation. I don't care if it is a 2000 hire that gets furloughed ahead of me.....you bring a 40 year old 9 to the table and it gets parked ahead of our 20 yr old 88's......why should I get the axe? I'm tired of politically correct hand holding kumbya BS.....Fences for all of us and let the chips fall where they may.

Nope. If Delta management makes decisions about NWA aircraft, then we share the pain.

As it stands now, NWA cannot park any more DC9s. The only way to do that is loosening scope in the joint contract. If the Delta MEC loosens our scope then we share the pain.

 

[Superpilot92]

Lee Moak STFU? I think he knows a bit more of what is going on then you do. Immediate pay parity would be fine. The problem will be when the new Delta starts parking DC9s and 742s, and their pilots start moving down to Compass. Our DL pilots shouldn't have to hit the street for possible parkings of THEIR airplanes. If some of our MD88s etc get parked, then I can understand that.(we are new 777s and 73NGs in the meantime, though) But, our guys shouldn't have to leave if their NWA planes go to the desert. If that isn't addressed in our "joint contract" with regards to scope and minimum mainline planes on the property, then that is ALSO the fault of both MECs.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

you do realize that from the day this merger goes through that all new aircraft will be financed with both NWA and DAL money right? The continued expansion during these tough times will continue primarily because of the new combined DALs financial position. Without NWA things would be coming to a crawl at both NWA and DAL. This is a combination of BOTH companies and that will be what allows the growth to continue during this mess of an economy. Relax a bit on the continued banter against us NWA guys we are about to be on the same team rooting for the same things. :beer: