Any Scoop on what Delta's "New Business Plan" June 12th (Thurs) Announcement Will Be?

[Superpilot92]

Ethics? Would it be "fair" to bring certain planes to the table that would "likely" be parked first, and then park our guys with them? Ummmmmm, NO. We should fence those DC9s for 5 years. Why? The senior NWA guys probably want to fence the 744s, so why not the DC9s on the bottom? Sounds fair to all of us.

F9driver, explain what you would do to be "ethical" please.....have our guys furloughed on planes they never flew or intended to fly?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Give it a rest GL

 

[General Lee]

Give it a rest GL

I hope they aren't parked, but F9 said I wasn't being ethical.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

General,

With all due respect you keep forgetting to include the fact that DAL has had extraordinary pilot attrition.

We HAD a great deal of early retirements, but that's old news already.

Of the approximate 2500 pilots who retired between 2002 and 2005, approximately 1750 would have already retired by Dec 2007, when the law changed to age 65. So you are talking about 750 pilots, of which approximately 250 were on long term disability, so they were not holding a category. Of the approximately 500 pilots remaining, 1/3rd of them would not be in the top 33% of the seniority list today. The total bump from early retirements today is about 350 numbers.

Regardless, you are not merging with the Delta seniority list from 2002, but with the Delta seniority list in 2008, 2009, or whenever the snap shot is taken. Our seniority list is what it is, and it is a reality that you will have to come to grips with, along with the fact that we have significantly more wide bodied aircraft, significantly more 757s and more international flying which will also play a large role in the SLI.

At the end of the day we all seek a fair SLI. If you are on the bottom of the list and all you can hold based strictly on seniority is a DC-9 F/O position, then that's what you hold after the SLI. If you are in the NWA 30th percentile and can hold an A320 CA position, then you'll be behind every Delta pilots who can hold captain on the 767/757, 767ER, 767-400, 777 and possibly the 737-800. If you are in the 25th percentile at DAL and can 767ER captain, then you should be senior to any NWA pilot who, based strictly on his seniority number, can hold the 757 or below.

At NWA we have not. This is the big difference.

Not as big as you think. A bigger factor is that DAL has hired more pilots in the last 12 years than NWA, and DAL is in the middle of explosive international growth.


Do you really think it is fair for an NWA guy to get furloughed when you have a pilot at DL that was just hired back in 2007? Heck, what about any of your pilots that haven't had to endure a 5 year furlough.

We've had pilots on 5+ year furloughs also, the biggest difference between our furloughs and your were that our pilots actually accrued longevity while on furlough. Their expectations are 5 years ahead of their counterparts at NWA because they have 5 additional years of longevity.

 

[cessnapilot]

Ethics? Would it be "fair" to bring certain planes to the table that would "likely" be parked first, and then park our guys with them? Ummmmmm, NO. We should fence those DC9s for 5 years. Why? The senior NWA guys probably want to fence the 744s, so why not the DC9s on the bottom? Sounds fair to all of us.

F9driver, explain what you would do to be "ethical" please.....have our guys furloughed on planes they never flew or intended to fly?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Part of the deal that is so good to both companies is having planes that are paid for that can be parked. With ANY merger out there, planes will be parked. Even if every plane were the same type and perfect for the route. It's just a fact that an airline with 800+ planes isn't going to exist in this market. So in the end, it isn't relevant who brings what planes to the table, its the end business plan that matters. Lets face it, you are nothing but a heavy equipment operator... same as me.

 

[General Lee]

Part of the deal that is so good to both companies is having planes that are paid for that can be parked. With ANY merger out there, planes will be parked. Even if every plane were the same type and perfect for the route. It's just a fact that an airline with 800+ planes isn't going to exist in this market. So in the end, it isn't relevant who brings what planes to the table, its the end business plan that matters. Lets face it, you are nothing but a heavy equipment operator... same as me.

True, but the amount of planes that are LIKELY to be parked are more on your side. That is important. Some planes are not made for a high oil environment. We can only hope they stick around longer than most people think they will. Fingers crossed.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Ah, this post is so much better when Tanker Clown (aka dumbass) is on your ignore list. I feel smarter instantly.

YUP, and General Lee just got added back on...what a raving sociopath....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I was going to make a comment but there are two pages here that are absolutely worthless.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

ANDERSON ON CNBC THIS am

Caught only the last 5 mins of Anderson on CNBC this am...anyone see the whole thing? Didn't seem like anything earth shattering....prices will go up...no more $100 fares to leisure places like MCO...Summer bookings look good, but they have no idea what's in store for Fall... Anchor asked if they would eventually need to cut capacity to meet demand, and he said "Bingo!" that of course they'd have to cut capacity if the demand is not there.
Was there ANYTHING worthwhile in the previous part of that interview, because this was quite anticlimactic for a "New Business Plan" if that was it... Don't see any press releases either.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

HERE's the VIDEO

Here's the video of the CNBC interview from their site...no time to watch, gotta run....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=768944643&play=1

 

[Voice Of Reason]

ONE more thing... (to wait for)

"
Delta Air Lines President and Chief Financial Officer to Present at the 2008 Merrill Lynch Global Transportation Conference

WHAT:Delta Air Lines invites shareowners, the investment community and the media to listen to a live Webcast of Delta’s President and Chief Financial Officer Edward H. Bastian’s presentation at the 2008 Merrill Lynch Global Transportation Conference at 6:15 p.m. ET, Wednesday, June 18, 2008.
WHO: Edward H. Bastian – President and Chief Financial Officer
WEB ADDRESS: The meeting can be accessed via the World Wide Web at http://www.delta.com/about_delta/investor_relations/webcasts/index.jsp
SPECIAL NOTICE: The online replay will be available at the same site shortly after the Webcast is complete until July 2, 2008. "