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I used to bring a small mini black-and-white TV with me when I flew "long haul" runs in the Lance, part 135 freight

(2 hours)

I could watch like 20 stations, many all interfering with each other
 
acaTerry said:
Real pro there. You guys pi$$ me off. I'm tired of covering the missed radio calls for you. And how swell, leaving your partner to sit there in silence like a dead body.
Owners aren't paying $20,000 a month for you to listen to music. You're on their dime in the plane, do what you're supposed to.
Let me guess....REGIONAL PILOT in past life?
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I actually agree with you about the ipod thing. I think it's pretty rude to the guy you're flying with and disrespectful to the owners who are paying a ton for your professional service.

However, what's with your dig on Regional Pilots? Your name is ACA Terry. Isn't that Atlantic Coast Airlines? Flew for United as United Express? Isn't that CL65 in your aircraft flown a CRJ that ACA operated? I'm not putting you down...just wondering why your busting on former regional pilots if you were one.
 
I am pretty certain that I miss more radio calls when I am day dreaming, looking out the window, and wondering if there is a strip club next to the hotel, than I do when listening to Rush, Savage Nation, or Cubs Baseball news.
This topic has gone round and round with pilots and there is no scientific proof that one or the other keeps you more or less in tune with what is happening in the airplane. Some folks are mental midgets, while others are multitasking like Windows 95. YMMV.
 
acaTerry said:
Bottom line is that the owners pay a lot of money for us to put our full attention to their flight, and we owe it to them.
Insofar as the volume level, I was honored enough to fill out an ASAP report over someone missing 4 ATC calls when I got back to the cockpit from the back helping pax with the flightphone. We were supposed to be copying a reroute and the controller was pi$$ed, and this guy was in LaLa Land with his iPod. That's enough for me. Anyone who shows up to fly with me with one of those is in for a fight.
Call me crazy, but a quiet ADF in the background is not the same as an iPod piped in the headset.
Frickin' people are too dumb to carry a conversation. Electric stimulation 24 hrs a day! Geez.....
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I have to stand up in support of my beloved iPod. I do not miss radio calls. I can still maintain a conversation with my flying partners. It does not detract from my ability to manage the airplane in any way, shape, or form. It is absolutely the same as listening to an ADF (also piped into your headphones in case you forgot) and to suggest otherwise is hypocrisy at its finest. And yes I was a regional pilot, with you, at ACA - does that make me less of a pilot? I'll put my skills up against anyone and I am proud of the flying that I have done, can you say the same?

Acaterry you have made many thoughtful posts on this board but we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
I have no problem with the ipod at a level that doesn't block radios or conversation, but the ipod problem with the company is from idiots watching movies or tv shows on the ipod and customers seeing it. Most people can drive their car without crashing it while listening to the radio or CDs and most can probably do just fine with background tunes in an airplane, but watching the ipod screen is begging for trouble for the entire crew and company.
 
Stripes....... watching it on his iPod?? :D

Something like this??
Psycho: My name's Francis Sawyer... but everyone calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis... I'll kill ya.
Leon: Ooooooh.
Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. Also, I don't like no one touching my stuff. So just keep your meathooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff... I'll kill ya. And I don't like nobody touching me. Any of you homos touch me... I'll kill ya.
Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis. We're all in this together. One of these men may save your life one of these days, you understand that? '
Winger: Then again maybe one of us won't.
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I actually like hearing the opinion of the other pilot on subjects like, Rental Property management, Investments, kids, wives (for the Utah folks) and my favorite, athiesim lies.
 
As for a guy missing 4 calls, I agree it is unacceptable and should have been handled on an individual basis. But if we are going to be total sticklers, is leaving the flight deck to help pax acceptable either???? He could have easily filed an ASAP that he missed the calls due to being alone in the cockpit for unnecessary reasons.

I personally have missed more calls with the non stop "when I was at airplane camp..." stories. I personally only used the ipod on the long (2+hrs) legs and only when the conversation ran out, then I would reach down and kick it on, and never once missed a call because of it.

I think the clincher in all this was the fact people were watching videos in flight on the ipod, that is pushing it. Especially when a pax could easily see you doing it.
 
And remember: If you denounce iPods yet listen to the ADF over the very same headset, you're a hypocrite. That is all. :rolleyes:
 
I have a separate headset for ADF so I'm okay.




zing.

Sarcasm machine disengaged.
 
glasspilot said:
I actually agree with you about the ipod thing. I think it's pretty rude to the guy you're flying with and disrespectful to the owners who are paying a ton for your professional service.

However, what's with your dig on Regional Pilots? Your name is ACA Terry. Isn't that Atlantic Coast Airlines? Flew for United as United Express? Isn't that CL65 in your aircraft flown a CRJ that ACA operated? I'm not putting you down...just wondering why your busting on former regional pilots if you were one.
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I take no offense at all to your post. My beef isn't with regional pilots, I was on myself for years. But with the ones of today, in particular the ones who were career changers rather than the "kid at the airport" types. I see them with their blue sunglasses (inside the terminal), green or red backpacks jacked up like they're going camping, plugged in with white wires coming out of their ears, and God help you if you're a passenger asking for any kind of help. You'll get the "I'm far too cool to be bothered by you" look, with a shrug of the shoulders. I just think that yesterdays regional pilot took the job and the public eye more seriously. Sure we had fun, but we were more concerned with the publics perception of us. We knew that their perception of us dictated the kinds of letters they wrote to our management (which was important during contracts), and that ultimately, the passengers were our paycheck. I just don't see todays regional pilots as professional aviators, but rather as a bunch of spoiled kids who slapped down $80,000, instructed 3 months and now see the world as owing them a living.
I know there are a bunch of regional pilots out there who are not fitting of this opinion (I taught many a good student at an academy), but that they are dwindling in population and the refills are really weak and immature.
Look at the Pinnacle pilot who was arrested last week, and how about 80% of his peers are sticking up for him in here. But if he crashed a plane from a mess-up, he'd be hung to dry. So its this:
**get arrested for running around naked in someones yard, you're cool. Made a conscious and deliberate choice to get drunk, naked and stupid. But...if you
**have an accident....you're stupid. And there is nothing to learn here because all these regional kids COULD NEVER make such a mistake. After all, they passed a checkride!
It's the immaturity and short sightedness that kills me. I see it all the time now at NJA in my fleet. We hired a fair number of regional FOs last year because that's all we could get with that silly domicile system. Now I inherit about 400% to 500% more dirty, unstocked airplanes. Passengers complain more and we have had ridiculously high numbers of reminders from the CPs about uniform issues (which isn't that hard to follow...we don't even wear hats!).
So you see, it drives me nuts that I have to fly with a guy who required electric stimulation 24 hours a day, won't do his job, and sees everyone else as the problem. Hope that clears my position more.
 
niteflyr said:
But if we are going to be total sticklers, is leaving the flight deck to help pax acceptable either????
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It's a requirement of our job, in the FOM approved by the FAA.
The iPod is not the issue with me, it's that it freaks out the passengers who could get a pilot with an iPod for $19,400 a month less. We agreed to a job description, so why can't we just follow our end of the deal? It's not that hard...fly the company planes, in the company uniform, following company policy. If this is too hard, then some guys have had too many easy jobs in their life.
 
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CA1900 said:
And remember: If you denounce iPods yet listen to the ADF over the very same headset, you're a hypocrite. That is all. :rolleyes:
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My favorite is the guys who denounce using ipods, but read a book or newspaper in cruise. When listening to music in the backround during cruise, you can still scan the instruments, look outside, reprogram the FMS, adjust the power, and even make radio calls. When reading a book or newspaper, you can't do anything. You don't read a newspaper when driving your car right?

I do think it is a bit unprofessional if you make it obvious, like having white earplug wires coming out of your headset. Just get a headset adapter or QC2 or something and keep the ipod hidden.
 
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What do we do on long flights..?[/quote]

If it is an early morning flight, climbing thru 18,000', I like to go check on Thurston and Lovey. Make sure that their coffee is at the right temperature. I always make sure that the kids or dogs are comfortable as well. Then I return to the cockpit and eat my "healthy cereal" (cereal, 2%milk, and yogurt). Then we will do our daily engine trend monitoring checks. Once all that is done we have some free time. This is the best time of the flight, as we have time to listen to all the bozo pilots out there missing their calls (ie..."say again"). Then about an hour prior to landing, I go back and make sure that everyone is still doing ok. Sometimes I will have to throw a blanket over Lovey. Then its back to the cockpit for lunch. Maybe a PB&J, or maybe a Cobb Salad. Then it gets busy again.

If this is a long repo (2hrs+). I just go in the back and sleep ;)
 
CA1900 said:
And remember: If you denounce iPods yet listen to the ADF over the very same headset, you're a hypocrite. That is all. :rolleyes:
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Doesn't the iPod come through a seperate headset or earpiece than the aviation headset potentially blocking out aircraft comm in that ear vs. listening to the ADF, HF and VHF at the same time in one headset which is entirely possible?
 
blueskies8 said:
Doesn't the iPod come through a seperate headset or earpiece than the aviation headset potentially blocking out aircraft comm in that ear vs. listening to the ADF, HF and VHF at the same time in one headset which is entirely possible?
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depends. a few headsets have adapters or plugs that allow you to plug the iPod or any other audio device into them. So it would be just like listening to the HF...
 
When reading a book or newspaper, you can't do anything. You don't read a newspaper when driving your car right?
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Well, I have cruise control in my car, but the autopilot does an even better job in my aircraft. ;)

Surely there are times when it is possible to read (book or newspaper) or even listen to music, & times when it is not appropriate. If you make the rules too stringent, then you will soon get very bored & your attention curve will be on the draggy side of the line. If it's 0900 local in the middle of a busy ATC sector, bad weather enroute, then no, it's not appropriate to relax a little. At 2200 local, in a very quiet sector, with good enroute weather, awareness of FIR boundaries & expected freq changes, system checks completed in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendations, etc, then as long as both pilots are not engrossed in the latest Tom Clancy novel, no big issue.

We're not flying DC3s here, with an engine failure imminent!! One guy monitors, one guy does the crossword! One pilot goes back to check on the owners, the other guy does not carry on with 23 Across!

You can safely combine airmanship with other activities - but don't link your iPod to the MFD!! :D
 
Do what you wish, but policy is policy and I am not going to sacrafice my Captain's pay (which I worked so hard for) so my F/O can listen to AeroSmith!!!!

Turn it off........plain and simple

Don't want to turn it off....explain it to the ACP....you're not worth it.
 

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