question for Republic people

[Popeye0537]

That's it? Sure isn't anything to brag about. I thought you guys made way more money then that to fly that big RJ! Hmmm, double the seats with jet engines under the wing? Seems that would come out to more then just 10-20k more. Sad

But that is how the industry has gone.

Sad or envious?? I really cant tell from your tone. Let me see, 10-20K more a year with better working conditions, time off, work rules, pilot group.....Yeah I'd take that any day.


Last time I looked the engines were under the wing of the Dash also.


Olympus....like I said look at the calendar. Even if AA was flying them it was over 5yrs ago. Welcome to 2008 f-u-c-ktard.

 

[WSurf]

Let me see, 10-20K more a year with better working conditions, time off, work rules, pilot group.....Yeah I'd take that any day.

Better work rules and conditions? Dude, I have friends that work there and that surely isn't true. LOL, You sure you work for the same Republic Airlines?

 

[kf4amu]

Better work rules and conditions? Dude, I have friends that work there and that surely isn't true. LOL, You sure you work for the same Republic Airlines?

The only advantage I've become aware of is they will pay for a commuter's home airport parking pass, which PDT will not. Yet.

Oh and my friend who was recently hired was touting his first class 767 ride to training as a benefit. 4 weeks later he was told he was no longer needed. Thank god for Shuttle America or he'd be up ******************** creek.

 

[Airline Driver]

I'd agree with you. I have nothing but great things to say about the guys who were at RAH before all the hiring boom over the last year. The guys hired this past year have really given RAH some what of a cocky mo fo look which isnt what the older guys at that company are like.

Most the senior and guys with more then a year experience at RAH are some of the best guys there are IMO.

I hate to admit it, but you have a very valid point about some of our younger FO's. Allot are from Delta or Comair academy and for some reason, that school must give their students a gallon of "Koolaid" every day. I am not saying that all come out like that but A very large some due. I am in the top 1/3RD of our Seniority list at RAH. When you fly with an FO who has 500-1000hrs and has not flown anything larger than a Piper Seminole and thinks that because they are flying a new Shiny jet that they are better than everyone I gets old very very quickly.

We have allot of great people here Both Captains and FO's, but like every company, we have are "select few" who give us the holier than thou persona at times.

 

[ifly4u]

IAllot are from Delta or Comair academy and for some reason, that school must give their students a gallon of "Koolaid" every day.

That is exactly what it is, or the "Academy" as they like to call it. I overheard one of these academy guys telling people he used to work for Delta, it took me a minute to figure out he was talking about Delta Connection Academy. Come on guys don't let a few tool bags taint an entire pilot group I'm sure you have plenty at your company too.

 

[olympus593]

Sad or envious?? I really cant tell from your tone. Let me see, 10-20K more a year with better working conditions, time off, work rules, pilot group.....Yeah I'd take that any day.


Last time I looked the engines were under the wing of the Dash also.


Olympus....like I said look at the calendar. Even if AA was flying them it was over 5yrs ago. Welcome to 2008 f-u-c-ktard.

I'm a retard because you can't tell the difference between 1995 and 2003, Hmm OK.
And you got netter work rules like what. Trip Rig, Extension pay...get back under you CEO's desk and start sucking.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Where do you come up with this crap?? I make 10-20k more that a PDT TP driver, hold weekends and holidays off.(But it only seems that you really care) I receive full cancellation pay, premium pay when offered and if my schedule gets changed I'm paid the higher of the swap. Educate yourself before you open that pie hole.

I'm sorry, when was that last time you saw a F100 flying around....1995? Last time I looked at the calender it was 2008. Should I be sorry that the 737-100/200/500's are going away because you cannot operate them in a cost effective manner.

You must be a blast to fly with Capt. Bitter, I feel sorry for you FO's

www.airlinepilotpay.com So show me where I make the same as a 37 seat TP dirver?

Cancellation pay at Republic is $0. If the completion factor is over 98.5, then you are guaranteed your original block for the month assuming you didn't call in sick. This clause is worthless because most guys go over block to begin with. There is no premium pay at Republic either. If you get premium pay, it is outside the CBA so you are getting it at everyone else's expense.

If by cost effective manner, do you mean paying the first officer $23-$37/hour and the captain $70/hour?

Republic is a decent regional to work at, but it is still a regional. The pay and work rules reflect that.

 

[knewhigher]

Cancellation pay at Republic is $0. If the completion factor is over 98.5, then you are guaranteed your original block for the month assuming you didn't call in sick. This clause is worthless because most guys go over block to begin with.

I wouldn't say worthless. Last month I had cancellations that took me below min guarantee. We had a completion factor over 98.5 and I got paid the original 81 hours.

 

[kf4amu]

With block or better and being pay protected, PDT line holders regularly get 100+hours pay a month. Add premium pay, extension pay, getting back to base late due to broken aircraft swap, and 110-115 is common.

I'd rather get paid 100+ hours for an 86 hour line, at an hourly rate equal to or greater than a jet that hauls twice as many passengers, especially when flying that jet for a month pays fewer hours due to work rules.

 

[trainer8]

With block or better and being pay protected, PDT line holders regularly get 100+hours pay a month. Add premium pay, extension pay, getting back to base late due to broken aircraft swap, and 110-115 is common.

I'd rather get paid 100+ hours for an 86 hour line, at an hourly rate equal to or greater than a jet that hauls twice as many passengers, especially when flying that jet for a month pays fewer hours due to work rules.

Think about what you wrote. DP is too. Believe me, I was where you are. Republic pay is too low. It needs improved, for sure. PDT has great rates and rules for an airline with an ageing fleet of Dash 8 aircraft.

It really comes down to where in the industry you want to be. I settle for the rate and rules to fly a SNJ. My move was a career choice, not a pay choice.


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[imacdog]

So adjusted for inflation, 170 pilots are making about 1/4 of what the F-100 pilots made, and you guys are proud of that?

 

[trainer8]

So adjusted for inflation, 170 pilots are making about 1/4 of what the F-100 pilots made, and you guys are proud of that?

Starting out, perhaps. More like 1/3, for FO and 1/2 for CO. The pay is what was negotiated.

Proud? No, I don't think so.

Progressive company? (vs. PDT/PSA's stagnation over the last 10 years?) Yes.

Flawed? Yes.

Happy to have a job? Yes.

Happy to brand new equipment? Yes.

T8

 

[imacdog]

Well your actual numbers are 1/3 and 1/2. I was talking about adjusting for inflation, but with numbers that low anyway let's not worry too much about the details.

 

[olympus593]

Well your actual numbers are 1/3 and 1/2. I was talking about adjusting for inflation, but with numbers that low anyway let's not worry too much about the details.

Well said!!!

 

[olympus593]

I wouldn't say worthless. Last month I had cancellations that took me below min guarantee. We had a completion factor over 98.5 and I got paid the original 81 hours.

81H WOW!!!

 

[knewhigher]

What is your problem man? I wasn't even arguing against you. All I said was the clause in the contract wasn't completely useless.

 

[trainer8]

Well said!!!

No argument. The point is, are you happy where you are at?

Is your management progressive or stagnant? Comparatively, yes, PDT does have good work rules and rates, considering the equipment. Those were hard fought for items in previous contracts. But how viable is PDT given the potential of mergers and consolidation?

My understanding is the DP has no plans to replace the airframes. What has SF told you about future flying? Status quo? Feed the mainline? Flow Through?

Yes, good work rules and great pay...for how long?

As for cocky pilots...well, welcome to the world of aviators. Every company has them, including yours.

And the DHC-8...a great airframe. The fact it is still in use should say something about it's versatility and strength. I loved flying it. But it was time to move on.

T8

 

[WSurf]

No argument. The point is, are you happy where you are at?

Is your management progressive or stagnant? Comparatively, yes, PDT does have good work rules and rates, considering the equipment. Those were hard fought for items in previous contracts. But how viable is PDT given the potential of mergers and consolidation?

My understanding is the DP has no plans to replace the airframes. What has SF told you about future flying? Status quo? Feed the mainline? Flow Through?

Yes, good work rules and great pay...for how long?

As for cocky pilots...well, welcome to the world of aviators. Every company has them, including yours.

And the DHC-8...a great airframe. The fact it is still in use should say something about it's versatility and strength. I loved flying it. But it was time to move on.

T8

Yep, what trainer said. Thats sums up PDT.

Trainer, have you heard anything about maybe mainline furloughs? We have a bunch of PDT people that keep getting there class dates at mainline pushed back. Now some say that Scott Kirby said Furloughs are around the corner.

 

[trainer8]

Yep, what trainer said. Thats sums up PDT.

Trainer, have you heard anything about maybe mainline furloughs? We have a bunch of PDT people that keep getting there class dates at mainline pushed back. Now some say that Scott Kirby said Furloughs are around the corner.

What I know: Kirby said capacity reduction is inevitable. Furloughs? He wouldn't commit to it or a number, but I would say, based on his body language, tone of voice and inflection, he seemed to indicate that it was definitely going to happen.

He said Management would make a decision in "two weeks" (this was on 5/29/08) after they were finished crunching the numbers.

If you are a group employee or affiliate, you can see his video taped statement on Crew News under "Capacity Reductions" on theHub.

I was told upcoming classes were being "slowed" but that is all.

T8

 

[MCOE175]

I bet the guys at PDT are sick of telling people that they are sorry for the POS they are flying. The company memo DJ put out memo telling them not to use the APU that it would save 36 dollars... Smart but at the same time stupid... PAX are scared and are now going to get sick. it really sucks for your guys when you have to fly around at 9000 watching for cessna traffic when we are up at 360-410 debating if we would at some heat to the air. I would rather have our new hires make a little less and fly a great airplane, than to make a couple dollars more flying something you hope you will land in.

PDT BLOWS no regrets leaving there at all. You may have a good contract but you can't even use it.

Good luck... i just watched the video of doug parker telling the sim spazz Paul... that you were not getting airplanes...

Looks like the only place you guys are going is down the S-H-I-T-T-E-R

 

[olympus593]

I bet the guys at PDT are sick of telling people that they are sorry for the POS they are flying. The company memo DJ put out memo telling them not to use the APU that it would save 36 dollars... Smart but at the same time stupid... PAX are scared and are now going to get sick. it really sucks for your guys when you have to fly around at 9000 watching for cessna traffic when we are up at 360-410 debating if we would at some heat to the air. I would rather have our new hires make a little less and fly a great airplane, than to make a couple dollars more flying something you hope you will land in.

PDT BLOWS no regrets leaving there at all. You may have a good contract but you can't even use it.

Good luck... i just watched the video of doug parker telling the sim spazz Paul... that you were not getting airplanes...

Looks like the only place you guys are going is down the S-H-I-T-T-E-R

Unless we whore ourself out like some of the contract carrier. Why do you think you got all the F100 replacement flying? Because you do it for Cheaper. The new F/O only make 25K a year but you got your new airplane. Be proud.

 

[kf4amu]

I would rather have our new hires make a little less and fly a great airplane, than to make a couple dollars more flying something you hope you will land in.

Little less? We just went over how the hourly pay credit is consistently 20 percent more at PDT, plus the rate is higher. And from what former pilots say, they all miss the Dash, so it can't be too bad.

 

[MCOE175]

Just remember PDT blows... the managment sucks... the schedules suck... the routes suck...
Farrow has no balls and because of his lack of testies PDT has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal.
Honestly, can you really defend a company that will not put any money back into itself? I mean look at the "corporate office". Look at dispatch and their nice set up. They won't even let you have crew track or FLICA or anything other than their wonderful website. The managment there, only cares about the blue dots on the bottom of coke cans. You think you can put another 90K cycles on that dash? Apparantly your managers do!
Also, there is no QOL of life at PDT.
Granted we may not have the best contract, but we we work for one of the 2 best regionals that cares about its image.
Who do you work for again?

 

[trainer8]

I bet the guys at PDT are sick of telling people that they are sorry for the POS they are flying. The company memo DJ put out memo telling them not to use the APU that it would save 36 dollars... Smart but at the same time stupid... PAX are scared and are now going to get sick. it really sucks for your guys when you have to fly around at 9000 watching for cessna traffic when we are up at 360-410 debating if we would at some heat to the air. I would rather have our new hires make a little less and fly a great airplane, than to make a couple dollars more flying something you hope you will land in.

PDT BLOWS no regrets leaving there at all. You may have a good contract but you can't even use it.

Good luck... i just watched the video of doug parker telling the sim spazz Paul... that you were not getting airplanes...

Looks like the only place you guys are going is down the S-H-I-T-T-E-R

So you see, we have these kind here at RPA, too. Not a smart post.

What he didn't tell you is that he got a memo from his CP with APU fuel guidlines, too. And, based on his profile, if RPA furloughs, (we have 17 airframes parked as of mid-June), he may be looking for work, too. With oil at $130/bbl, nobody is safe, except maybe SWA. Not a time to be cocky.

*sigh*

BTW, the only time you get up FL410 in the E170/175 is when your GW is 58K or less, which means, you are hauling very few pax, (if not empty) or on a repo/ferry flight. No wonder you're cold.

T8

 

[WSurf]

Just remember PDT blows... the managment sucks... the schedules suck... the routes suck...
Farrow has no balls and because of his lack of testies PDT has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal.
Honestly, can you really defend a company that will not put any money back into itself? I mean look at the "corporate office". Look at dispatch and their nice set up. They won't even let you have crew track or FLICA or anything other than their wonderful website. The managment there, only cares about the blue dots on the bottom of coke cans. You think you can put another 90K cycles on that dash? Apparantly your managers do!
Also, there is no QOL of life at PDT.
Granted we may not have the best contract, but we we work for one of the 2 best regionals that cares about its image.
Who do you work for again?

LOL, and Mesa won the Best Regional of the Year Three years ago.

One thing you learn in this industry is that you can be on top one day, and bottom feeder the next.

Thank god your at Republic and not still at PDT.

 

[WSurf]

Granted we may not have the best contract, but we we work for one of the 2 best regionals that cares about its image.

Image? What do you make an hour to fly the E-175? Nice Image.

 

[olympus593]

Here what the RPA pilot don't want to tell you.
Quote/Unquote from an ex PDT F/O that went to RPA and was jumpeating on us "we want a better contract but we don't want the best contract because we need to keep cost low so that we can keep growing" looking at you F/O pay rate and your contract I guess you got to upgrade ASAP if you want to make a living. That mentality is the problem in this industry.

 

[olympus593]

No argument. The point is, are you happy where you are at?

Is your management progressive or stagnant? Comparatively, yes, PDT does have good work rules and rates, considering the equipment. Those were hard fought for items in previous contracts. But how viable is PDT given the potential of mergers and consolidation?

My understanding is the DP has no plans to replace the airframes. What has SF told you about future flying? Status quo? Feed the mainline? Flow Through?

Yes, good work rules and great pay...for how long?

As for cocky pilots...well, welcome to the world of aviators. Every company has them, including yours.

And the DHC-8...a great airframe. The fact it is still in use should say something about it's versatility and strength. I loved flying it. But it was time to move on.

T8

I guess what you don't get is that RPA is growing because they are cheaper ( bottom feeder ), nothing to do with this BS progressive managment.
Maybe you could offer to fly A330/B777 for your current rate you would probably grow even faster but at least you would have new airplanes.

Your right PDT is stagnant and will be as long as airlines as your (or mesa, TSA, ETC) are willing to do it for less. Why would Airways give us the flying if we cost more than you? Bottom line RPA/MESA/TSA/ are the cancer of the industry.

 

[trainer8]

I guess what you don't get is that RPA is growing because they are cheaper ( bottom feeder ), nothing to do with this BS progressive managment. Maybe you could offer to fly A330/B777 for your current rate you would probably grow even faster but at least you would have new airplanes.

Your right PDT is stagnant and will be as long as airlines as your (or mesa, TSA, ETC) are willing to do it for less. Why would Airways give us the flying if we cost more than you? Bottom line RPA/MESA/TSA/ are the cancer of the industry.

PDT's stagnant run has to do with management. Blaming MESA, RPA, TSA is a coward's tantrum.

You want to place your blame where it truley lies? MAINLINE ALPA LCC MEC. Ask any Mainline pilot and they will tell you the LCC ALPA messed up by giving away flying from US Airways Group carriers. That was a negotiated deal by US Airways ALPA. You can have your tantrum about contract carriers, but the truth lies in the agreements that negotiated flying away from Group carriers.

Pay scales at RPA are aligned pretty close to PDTs, except the Capt rates cap out at $119/hr--add E175 overide and its about $127/hr--(vs LCC's E190 95/hr and PDT's 78/hr) FO rates at RPA don't go above 5th year. Up until March, it was a 2.5 year upgrade time.

Why did PSA get SJ's? I know the answer. They caved in on cheap RJ rates and broke ranks with the other PWOs. Check your history. Why are many PDT pilots not going to LCC? Low pay on the junior aircraft, the E190. WSurf, your reason? (Yes, I know the first couple classes went west on the AB and B737). It's the same reason the E190s at LCC are flown at competative RJ rates. It's what was negotiated your bargaining agent, ALPA. ALPA had the opportunity to bring in the PWOs, but didn't. The rest is history.

T8

 

[olympus593]

PDT's stagnant run has to do with management. Blaming MESA, RPA, TSA is a coward's tantrum.

You want to place your blame where it truley lies? MAINLINE ALPA LCC MEC. Ask any Mainline pilot and they will tell you the LCC ALPA messed up by giving away flying from US Airways Group carriers. That was a negotiated deal by US Airways ALPA. You can have your tantrum about contract carriers, but the truth lies in the agreements that negotiated flying away from Group carriers.

Pay scales at RPA are aligned pretty close to PDTs, except the Capt rates cap out at $119/hr--add E175 overide and its about $127/hr--(vs LCC's E190 95/hr and PDT's 78/hr) FO rates at RPA don't go above 5th year. Up until March, it was a 2.5 year upgrade time.

Why did PSA get SJ's? I know the answer. They caved in on cheap RJ rates and broke ranks with the other PWOs. Check your history. Why are many PDT pilots not going to LCC? Low pay on the junior aircraft, the E190. WSurf, your reason? (Yes, I know the first couple classes went west on the AB and B737). It's the same reason the E190s at LCC are flown at competative RJ rates. It's what was negotiated your bargaining agent, ALPA. ALPA had the opportunity to bring in the PWOs, but didn't. The rest is history.

T8

Mainline LCC MEC gave up on scope but why? Because airways knew they you get somebody else to to it for cheaper, so they put it about for bid and RPA won by being the cheaper on the back off the RPA employee, but don't worry some body else will next time around but on your flying for cheaper and so on and so forth, just don't be crying to me when that happen and you lose your contract .
BTW I'll be more than happy to put my W2 against your any day I still make for as a PDT CA that you do as a RPA CA. Flying half the seat...