747 Splits in Two on T/O

[Way2Broke]

W2B, we have to get together sometime when the rules allow you an adult beverage or three!

JetPigs UNITE! Need I say more?

 

[avbug]

We can refer to these assumptions and speculations as a process of thought that leads them to their final report. This also helps us rule out what is not fact. If you think that the NTSB doesn't sit around a table for months after an accident or incident and speculate or make assumptions based upon fact, then you are down right crazy.

Hardly.

Speculation is not a part of any professional endevor; guesswork has no place in aviation.

To postulate and guess, with no facts in evidence, accomplishes nothing but fire pointless rumors...which on various boards thus far have ranged from UFO's to terrorism, to pilot error, to poor maintenance...all utter crap. Lots of talking heads spouting off their ignorance without any basis upon which to speak. But nothing of substance.

When an investigative team retires from the field to address the evidence they have gathered, the investigating members collaborate with industry experts and others to consider all the available data. Not simply guess based on no fact at all.

No, the NTSB, et al, certainly does not sit around a table for months and speculate (guess). Investigators spend months analyzing data, CVR recordings, measurements, material, evidence, eyewitness reports, crew and passenger testimony, and all other available relevant reports and information in order to make a factual determination regarding the events contributing to the mishap.

That has no bearing to a group of uninformed pilots (et al) blindly guessing as to what might have happend, without the slitest clue as to what actually took place.

I've been through the entire investigative process, starting with being first on scene to live testimony, to tearing apart the equipment to analyze the failure, to developing conclusions regarding each of the contributing factors. Not merely a classroom exercise, but the real thing. You've done this, I take it?

 

[AV80R]

... Speculation is not a part of any professional endevor; guesswork has no place in aviation...

Avbug - if I'm not mistaken you work for the dark side, correct? I agree with you that we should leave the speculation to the NTSB professionals (or the equivalent in Belgium) but you also need to realize that this is an open message board - which feeds and thrives on rumors, speculation, guesstimates, etc...

 

[AV80R]

Give us a break Countbutt...

Go back to your conspiricy books and leave the professionals alone, or I'll get Ozzy to finish off the lobotomy and bite your head off!

The dust hasn't settled yet and the online aviation wizzards have come out from under their rocks to dazzle themselves in the radiant glow of their own enormous wild arse speculation and fingerpointing...what a crock of fecal matter!

That's funny!

PS. Belch, are the guys out of the hospital yet?

 

[Floyd R. Turbo]

Captain America screwed up.

Well then, let's just tell the NTSB that they can pack up and go home. You seem to have it all figured out already.

Seriously, you may not like the guy, but do you really need to gloat about what could be his darkest hour? (and I hope will not???)

I suppose your feces will always be odorless.

Punk.

 

[belchfire]

That's funny!

PS. Belch, are the guys out of the hospital yet?

I believe that they are out but I can't confirm it. I really don't know much-if anything-more than what has been on the web or the news...and as this thread so accurately points out those sources may be less than reliable and speculation at best!

 

[Zoneload]

I Heard the FO aborted!!

 

[avbug]

At that operator, and in that airplane, one does not abort, one rejects the takeoff, and a first officer does not reject the takeoff. The Captain does that.

 

[embpic1]

At that operator, and in that airplane, one does not abort, one rejects the takeoff, and a first officer does not reject the takeoff. The Captain does that.

What he said.

 

[Way2Broke]

At that operator, and in that airplane, one does not abort, one rejects the takeoff, and a first officer does not reject the takeoff. The Captain does that.

Honest question here, what is the difference between a rejected takeoff and a aborted takeoff?

 

[unwashed]

Honest question here, what is the difference between a rejected takeoff and a aborted takeoff?

In Europe they will use the term "Stop". To answer the question, nothing, I have used both, but not in this aircraft I have only used "reject".

 

[Spooky 2]

In Europe they will use the term "Stop". To answer the question, nothing, I have used both, but not in this aircraft I have only used "reject".

It is simply Boeing speak and the respective QRH for each individual Boeing aircraft, Boeing uses the term "Reject" exclusively. Believe it or not, Boeing spends considerable time in deciding which terminolgy works best across the spectrum of operators on a world wide multi language basis. If your paticular airline wants to use "Abort" simply ask Boeing for a NTO, (non-technical objection), and they may or may not grant it based upon any number of factors.

 

[Rook]

Sorry for the thread creep, but is Connie having any classes/interviews in the near future?

 

[Rottweiller]

Sorry for the thread creep, but is Connie having any classes/interviews in the near future?

Got a friend over at K4 and mentioned one maybe two more for the year. They have a class with 20+ ex ATA guy's right now and 10,000+ hours gets you a consideration (just what I have been told).

 

[mvedepo]

I was told that ICAO wants to standardize using "reject."

 

[Guam360]

At that operator, and in that airplane, one does not abort, one rejects the takeoff, and a first officer does not reject the takeoff. The Captain does that.

True statement, but it is rumor, I heard it too.

After V1, no one is guarding the Thrust levers, it is possible he reached over and pulled them to idle, only what I heard, I have no idea, I wasn't there....

crazy

 

[Way2Broke]

I was told that ICAO wants to standardize using "reject."

They also want everyone to be "English Proficient." Unfortunately, because I went to public schools I had to quit flying international because of this.

 

[belchfire]

They also want everyone to be "English Proficient." Unfortunately, because I went to public schools I had to quit flying international because of this.

Well, that will give all the grammer and spelling experts here something to do ...maybe they can start with the guys at the 7-11 and at the front desk at almost any hotel in the US!

 

[OrionFE]

True statement, but it is rumor, I heard it too.

After V1, no one is guarding the Thrust levers, it is possible he reached over and pulled them to idle, only what I heard, I have no idea, I wasn't there....

crazy

Hey K4 guys stay off the "gossip board" and don't feed these guys with crazy ideas. Have respect for your fellow crewmembers and let the Investigative Process do its job. It could very well have been one of you!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Avbug,

Everyone is entitled to an opinion or speculation when contributing to the board. Negative, positive, far-fetched or not, each comment provides more insight and generates/stimulates a thought process which may or may not be a means to an end. All of what you state may be construed as conjecture as well.

You can't go around condemning everyone for having an opinion or paradigm which differs from yours.

Please let a message board be a message board. No one is under oath and common sense and consensus or the "invisible hand" (if you will) will regulate things. The truth eventually comes out, but what leads up to this is a valuable learning process via elimination and debate.

Other than that, you provide more edification than most around here and kudos for that. It is always much appreciated and keeps some of these fools in check.

ARF.