747 Splits in Two on T/O

[LR25]

Does Connie still does his own engine overhauls in Oscoda, Michgan?

Our motors are built by NASA. Because of our nature of flying and extreme conditions we operate. We get very special training to be able to handle them.

Thanks for your concern.

 

[The_Russian]

Rather than speculating based on what you see in a picture of another airplane (different airplane, differnt location, different circumstances, different terrain)...stick to the facts and wait for some to come out.

Why are you upset that this has prompted a discussion? Are you aware that this is an internet message board?

Discussing and speculating the events surrounding an incident is not at all an unprofessional thing to do. In fact, aircraft accident investigators must make assumptions and use speculation to lead them to the facts. We can refer to these assumptions and speculations as a process of thought that leads them to their final report. This also helps us rule out what is not fact. If you think that the NTSB doesn't sit around a table for months after an accident or incident and speculate or make assumptions based upon fact, then you are down right crazy.

Our discussion of this incident might lead to one or more of our lives being saved in the near future. Try to remember that when you choose to participate since you have already made your own assumptions and speculations on the incident thus far.

 

[se1776]

Captain America screwed up.

 

[#%&@$!]

Avbug - by introducing the photo and comparison I was only suggesting tht an RTO introduces a large amount of stress to the airframe. The point was made to counter any argument earlier in this thread that age of the aircrarft was the cause of the breakup. If you thought I was claiming to have solved this investigation you were reading way too much between my lines.

For those who think age was a factor - I'd suggest avoiding NW's DC-9 fleet, which is older that Kalitta's classic fleet with way more cycles.

 

[belchfire]

No, I'm talking about Belch, he's on the -400 as of recently...

Guys, thanks for the concern...W2B, we have to get together sometime when the rules allow you an adult beverage or three!

No, was not me, but the crew is okay...

Unlike Countbat-you see, he doesn't so much have need of a career since the frontal lobotomy!

I especially liked the way you managed to blame the POTUS for this also...GWB has time in his busy day to make sure that Connie stays in business. I bet he wakes up in the middle of the night worrying about it!

Yeah, right! If he gave a shart about any airline fuel wouldn't cost what it does!

Give us a break Countbutt...

Go back to your conspiricy books and leave the professionals alone, or I'll get Ozzy to finish off the lobotomy and bite your head off!

The dust hasn't settled yet and the online aviation wizzards have come out from under their rocks to dazzle themselves in the radiant glow of their own enormous wild arse speculation and fingerpointing...what a crock of fecal matter!

 

[Way2Broke]

W2B, we have to get together sometime when the rules allow you an adult beverage or three!

JetPigs UNITE! Need I say more?

 

[avbug]

We can refer to these assumptions and speculations as a process of thought that leads them to their final report. This also helps us rule out what is not fact. If you think that the NTSB doesn't sit around a table for months after an accident or incident and speculate or make assumptions based upon fact, then you are down right crazy.

Hardly.

Speculation is not a part of any professional endevor; guesswork has no place in aviation.

To postulate and guess, with no facts in evidence, accomplishes nothing but fire pointless rumors...which on various boards thus far have ranged from UFO's to terrorism, to pilot error, to poor maintenance...all utter crap. Lots of talking heads spouting off their ignorance without any basis upon which to speak. But nothing of substance.

When an investigative team retires from the field to address the evidence they have gathered, the investigating members collaborate with industry experts and others to consider all the available data. Not simply guess based on no fact at all.

No, the NTSB, et al, certainly does not sit around a table for months and speculate (guess). Investigators spend months analyzing data, CVR recordings, measurements, material, evidence, eyewitness reports, crew and passenger testimony, and all other available relevant reports and information in order to make a factual determination regarding the events contributing to the mishap.

That has no bearing to a group of uninformed pilots (et al) blindly guessing as to what might have happend, without the slitest clue as to what actually took place.

I've been through the entire investigative process, starting with being first on scene to live testimony, to tearing apart the equipment to analyze the failure, to developing conclusions regarding each of the contributing factors. Not merely a classroom exercise, but the real thing. You've done this, I take it?

 

[AV80R]

... Speculation is not a part of any professional endevor; guesswork has no place in aviation...

Avbug - if I'm not mistaken you work for the dark side, correct? I agree with you that we should leave the speculation to the NTSB professionals (or the equivalent in Belgium) but you also need to realize that this is an open message board - which feeds and thrives on rumors, speculation, guesstimates, etc...

 

[AV80R]

Give us a break Countbutt...

Go back to your conspiricy books and leave the professionals alone, or I'll get Ozzy to finish off the lobotomy and bite your head off!

The dust hasn't settled yet and the online aviation wizzards have come out from under their rocks to dazzle themselves in the radiant glow of their own enormous wild arse speculation and fingerpointing...what a crock of fecal matter!

That's funny!

PS. Belch, are the guys out of the hospital yet?

 

[Floyd R. Turbo]

Captain America screwed up.

Well then, let's just tell the NTSB that they can pack up and go home. You seem to have it all figured out already.

Seriously, you may not like the guy, but do you really need to gloat about what could be his darkest hour? (and I hope will not???)

I suppose your feces will always be odorless.

Punk.

 

[belchfire]

That's funny!

PS. Belch, are the guys out of the hospital yet?

I believe that they are out but I can't confirm it. I really don't know much-if anything-more than what has been on the web or the news...and as this thread so accurately points out those sources may be less than reliable and speculation at best!

 

[Zoneload]

I Heard the FO aborted!!

 

[avbug]

At that operator, and in that airplane, one does not abort, one rejects the takeoff, and a first officer does not reject the takeoff. The Captain does that.

 

[embpic1]

At that operator, and in that airplane, one does not abort, one rejects the takeoff, and a first officer does not reject the takeoff. The Captain does that.

What he said.

 

[Way2Broke]

At that operator, and in that airplane, one does not abort, one rejects the takeoff, and a first officer does not reject the takeoff. The Captain does that.

Honest question here, what is the difference between a rejected takeoff and a aborted takeoff?