Reionals fate? Delta/NWA Merger?

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There are no minimum fleet requirements to qualify for RJ lift at NWA anymore. Try another theory.

You sure about that?

The NWA guys are all saying the DC9's can't get parked without forcing RJ reductions. Delta has a little wiggle room under their scope (which may get bigger without Mesa) so a transfer to the Delta side seemed to make sense while they operate in the interim with NWA as a subsidiary.

SkyWest and Republic seem to have inviolate contracts.

You disagree?

As far as flow throughs go, my guess is that DAL will hire pilots after the NWA deal is consumated. NWA may have hired their last pilot ever when those functions become part of the Delta HR machine.

 

[B.T.Justice]

Well Skywest/ASA own the gates in ATL. And ASA is guaranteed a minimum number of flights out of ATL. Were 3 years into a 15 year contract....So unless Delta enters BK, and decides it can do without the C Concourse, Skywest/ASA is safe.

Those guys in St. George are pretty smart cookies.

 

[Flybet3]

We will be don, Don of all regionals, ruling over all

uuuuuuhuh

 

[Jmoney]

Look.....

You really need to look at our ASA before spewing off garbage like that...

You really need to look at your post history, sir....

When analyzed carefully-compared and contrasted with the erudite nectar flowing from the fingers of other posters on this or pretty much any other aviation site-it is impossible to arrive at any conclusion other than the truth.......

That truth being that your were, are, and in all likelihood will continue to be a booger-gnawing moron!

 

[Flybet3]

That truth being that your were, are, and in all likelihood will continue to be a booger-gnawing moron!

HAHAHAHA! That sh*** is just priceless.

 

[captain dad]

I left XJ prior to the last deal with the flow through, so I am not privy to the details, so this is not a flame.

That being said, is there a flow back or is there a fence?

If this merger goes through, which it sounds inevitable, there will be anywhere from 500 to 1,000 pilots on the curb. Where they come from is what I would be concerned with.

Good luck guys. All my best.

 

[WIPilot]

I left XJ prior to the last deal with the flow through, so I am not privy to the details, so this is not a flame.

That being said, is there a flow back or is there a fence?

If this merger goes through, which it sounds inevitable, there will be anywhere from 500 to 1,000 pilots on the curb. Where they come from is what I would be concerned with.

Good luck guys. All my best.

There is a flow back equal to the number of people who flow up

 

[WIPilot]

Well Skywest/ASA own the gates in ATL. And ASA is guaranteed a minimum number of flights out of ATL. Were 3 years into a 15 year contract....So unless Delta enters BK, and decides it can do without the C Concourse, Skywest/ASA is safe.

Those guys in St. George are pretty smart cookies.

With all due respect, you guys can make believe whatever you want contract or not. The truth is anything can happen, with or without bankruptcy.

 

[Smarta$$]

There are no minimum fleet requirements to qualify for RJ lift at NWA anymore. Try another theory.

I think there might be on the 76 seat stuff. But I could be wrong.

 

[marycon]

My guess would be that it may be a year or two before anything affects the wholly owned operations, Mesaba, ComAir and Compass.

I would think that Mesaba would be relatively safe considering the turbo-prop and 900 operation. The 200's transferred from 9E that XJ is operating are probably in the same danger that all 50 seat flying is industry wide.

In the end of course who knows, I have yet to ever see an accurate prediction of things to come from this board, crewroom speculation, or my own musings.

 

[WAZUP]

Is a Reional, a Mexican Airline Regional airline?

Royer?

I know, I'm an arse. Just puling you chain a bit.

"sometimes it is, sometimes it's not"

 

[DoinTime]

You sure about that?

The NWA guys are all saying the DC9's can't get parked without forcing RJ reductions. Delta has a little wiggle room under their scope (which may get bigger without Mesa) so a transfer to the Delta side seemed to make sense while they operate in the interim with NWA as a subsidiary.

The fleet requirements were a product of prior agreements. The bk contract allows unlimited 50-seaters and 90 51-76 seaters (provided Compass exists) with no regard to the narrow body fleet. There are provisions to increase the number of 51-76 seaters depending on future additions to the narrow body fleet.

I agree that if indeed the Delta guys are hanging the NW guys out to dry with their one sided negotiations with Delta (and it seems like they are) in this consolidation that the DC-9's will get cut (and other undesirable parts of the company) with the stoke of a pen. NW pilots will have little recourse as their company is chopped up without the protections of a combined list.

 

[Flyer1015]

You really need to look at our ASA before spewing off garbage like that...

You really need to look at your post history, sir....

When analyzed carefully-compared and contrasted with the erudite nectar flowing from the fingers of other posters on this or pretty much any other aviation site-it is impossible to arrive at any conclusion other than the truth.......

That truth being that your were, are, and in all likelihood will continue to be a booger-gnawing moron!

Um, you DO realize that by me saying "look at our ASA" means "look at Pinnacle's Airline Services Agreement."

The Airline Services Agreement, or ASA, spells out successorship rules, change of holding company, and rules for amounts of airplanes to be operated and under what conditions they can be swapped out.

You have NO knowledge of our ASA.

Instead, being the typical dumb ignorant pr*ck you are, you assumed I was talking about Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA the airline).

So tell us how you really feel. Idiots like you don't want to take the time to get the REAL facts behind the current topic being discussed. Instead, it's just "easier" to resort to calling others 'booger-gnawing moron.'

But hey, that's easier to do, than ACTUALLY read the applicable parts of the Pinnacle ASA... and again, that's the Airline Services Agreement.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I agree that if indeed the Delta guys are hanging the NW guys out to dry with their one sided negotiations with Delta (and it seems like they are) in this consolidation that the DC-9's will get cut (and other undesirable parts of the company) with the stoke of a pen. NW pilots will have little recourse as their company is chopped up without the protections of a combined list.

If that happens...will you still be such an ALPA cheerleader?

 

[CptMurf]

Um, you DO realize that by me saying "look at our ASA" means "look at Pinnacle's Airline Services Agreement."

The Airline Services Agreement, or ASA, spells out successorship rules, change of holding company, and rules for amounts of airplanes to be operated and under what conditions they can be swapped out.

You have NO knowledge of our ASA.

Instead, being the typical dumb ignorant pr*ck you are, you assumed I was talking about Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA the airline).

So tell us how you really feel. Idiots like you don't want to take the time to get the REAL facts behind the current topic being discussed. Instead, it's just "easier" to resort to calling others 'booger-gnawing moron.'

But hey, that's easier to do, than ACTUALLY read the applicable parts of the Pinnacle ASA... and again, that's the Airline Services Agreement.

Not trying to start anything or get invovled in your debate, but an ASA with NWA is not worth the paper it's written on. XJ had a brand new, nice and shiny 10 year ASA that was gutted and lasted about six months. Not to mention NWA may soon be called Delta, better read the successorship clauses carefully.

 

[DoinTime]

If that happens...will you still be such an ALPA cheerleader?

If that happens it will deepen my resolve that National needs to real in the autonomy of the MECs. For way to long have mainline MECs been allowed to do what pleases them regardless of the damage to other ALPA pilots and the profession. Division will weaken us all though so ALPA must be saved.

 

[Flyer1015]

Not trying to start anything or get invovled in your debate, but an ASA with NWA is not worth the paper it's written on. XJ had a brand new, nice and shiny 10 year ASA that was gutted and lasted about six months. Not to mention NWA may soon be called Delta, better read the successorship clauses carefully.

I apologize if I misunderstand the situation, but didn't MAIR declare bankruptcy first, and then through bankruptcy court, void the agreement?

 

[600rvr]

With Pinnacle's past performance under the "new" ASA, there is little doubt that NWA or any successor would have "cause" to terminate the ASA. (Think March 2007... I can only imagine how bad the service has been since) If Pinnacle is not gone within a year after the merger... then there will only be a couple hundred pilots flying 900s for Delta. My take.

 

[Raskal]

With Pinnacle's past performance under the "new" ASA, there is little doubt that NWA or any successor would have "cause" to terminate the ASA. (Think March 2007... I can only imagine how bad the service has been since) If Pinnacle is not gone within a year after the merger... then there will only be a couple hundred pilots flying 900s for Delta. My take.

Does it really matter? 9E is in an unfortunate position now, but once management is done convincing the two idiot/sellout/childlike pilot groups to beat the hell out of each other at the mainline(s), all the nwa airlink carriers will be next...this won't bode well for any of us.

 

[CptMurf]

I apologize if I misunderstand the situation, but didn't MAIR declare bankruptcy first, and then through bankruptcy court, void the agreement?

Yes and no. It was NWA's BK that voided our ASA. That's one reason I am thinking all of NWA's ASA's aren't worth much in a Delta/NWA merger with DAL on top.