Look before you leap, NJASAP!

[AeroBoy]

Since B19's custom user name is "nobody speaks for me," then he apparently doesn't even speak for himself. So it's perfectly OK to ignore him, then. I'm giving you my permission.

 

[SCT]

"...while giving everyone a headache with that monotous drum beat over and over, same thing all day..."- NJW

NutjetWife, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black!!
I don't agree w/ B19 at all (nor do I have a dog in this fight) but at least B19 actually WORKS in the aviation industry versus you, mam.

SCT

 

[netjetwife]

Not remotely the same SCT. I'm here to discuss relevant, current events with my online frac friends. For example, the issue of the NJ pilots leaving Teamsters is a brand new topic which will directly impact the NJ pilots---and their family members. Many pilots know that my family is very involved in the independence movement. (Thanks to all those mailing in cards and donations.)

As the wife of a NJ pilot, that worked on both the 2005 and 2007 contracts, I have insight and encouragement to offer to the Options pilots as we talk about their negotiations and the treatment they receive from management. The pilots with a family understand that their frac career affects their family in a significant way, especially when they're overworked and underpaid. They know that I understand what they're going thru. Yes, you've heard me say some of the same kinds of things before; I posted very similar comments and encouragement to the NJ pilots during their contract dispute. The Ops pilots are likewise deserving of support and admiration for the stand they're taking.

Many of the board members know my husband and/or me and they support my right to post here. The positive feedback I receive (from NJ pilots and others) far outnumbers the negative so I'll continue to enjoy the camaraderie of the online frac community. SCT, does your family's paycheck come from a frac company like my family's does? I've forgotten who you fly for, but I do recall that you showed a tendancy to discriminate in the past. I invited you then to put me on your ignore list and that suggestion, sir, still stands. NJW

 

[fischman]

Sct,

"...while giving everyone a headache with that monotous drum beat over and over, same thing all day..."- NJW

NutjetWife, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black!!
I don't agree w/ B19 at all (nor do I have a dog in this fight) but at least B19 actually WORKS in the aviation industry versus you, mam.

SCT

NJW has done more for the Fractional Pilot than 95% of us out here. She is better informed that 99% of us.

Trust me, she has earned your respect. I suggest you apologize.

 

[stingray]

B19

NetJetwife is simply a spouse that cares about this pilot group. She at least speaks up in support of this pilot group, and does what she can to make it better.

What do you do besides sit there and complain. You sound like a definte National Teamsters Cronie trying to push their crap koolaid. or you just don't care

I have seen her post many times on this site always in support of bettering our pilot group.

Do you realize 99.9% of what we "The NetJets Pilot Group" have is purely because of our pilots who have voluntered to take positions in our union and the staff at our local 1108 level, and the many other volunteers.

National has done nothing except suck money from our pilot group, and try to get us to settle for crap, sounds familiar like our previous local. National should have learned from what we will do with this type of action or in-action "They refuse to learn from the past" there is a name for that.

Now they realize we are leaving, they screwed the pooch, and we are saying goodbuy to them, and the millions we have sent them will be no more, and there is not a dam thing they can do about it. That is their only thought.

We already have well past the amount of cards required to have a vote, over 100 cards a day are still coming in. Do the math

 

[Fozzy]

but at least B19 actually WORKS in the aviation industry versus you, mam.
SCT

If you don't think a spouse of a pilot does not work in the aviation industry, you are seriously out of touch. Just because the check comes in their spouse's name does not mean they don't sacrifice just as much. Same goes for the kids.

If I had to venture a guess, you have yet to get married. Good luck with that.

 

[SCT]

You crack me up NJW. You rant and rave every day about your causes but has soon has someone w/ a different opinion (and not just B19, I've seen you do it over and over thru the yrs) posts you go ballistic. Also, I don't "discriminate" (i'm not pro or anti unions)
I just like pointing out the idiot statements that you like to make about the aviation industry. My favorite was your advice on accepting tips from pax...it was a classic.

Well, once again I don't agree w/ anything B19 has posted but at least he works in the industry and the real world. I have lots of friends in the frac world and I wish them the best. I really don't care if they work for the carpenter's union.....if that is what they decide to do.

Fozzy, I respect your opinion but you are wrong. You do not see me on "medical" websites posting on behalf of my spouse's career.

 

[B19 Flyer]

NetJetwife is simply a spouse that cares about this pilot group. She at least speaks up in support of this pilot group, and does what she can to make it better.

She is entitled to her opinion and can say anything she wants, no matter how disrespectful it is to aviation professionals in the fractional as well as other aviation entities by her statements as to the method of which they have invested in their careers.

I am entitled to my opinion. I don't like unions from personal experience and have never seen a union do anything good for a company as a whole. Profitability is not the only measure of how a company is affected. QOL extends beyond the pilot group. A CBA may benefit the pilot group, but it is always at the expense of other employees, shareholders and patrons.

She is nothing more than a pilot's wife. She hasn't invested in a career in aviation. She hasn't paid her dues, doesn't personally draw a paycheck and can only ride on the coat-tails of he husband.

She writes pages to discredit my opinion of unions, yet when I point out facts and attitudes she has that are detrimental to the industry, she calls me names and says that I twist words. Not true.

She is only a pilots wife, nothing more.

 

[B19 Flyer]

NJW has done more for the Fractional Pilot than 95% of us out here. She is better informed that 99% of us.

What has she done?

Has she traveled to various parts of the world and been an active participant on rulemaking committees that support fractional programs with the FAA and ICAO?

Has she been an active participant on developing fractional safety programs such as ASAP?

What could she have possibly done for the fractional industry outside of support 1108?

She's only a pilot's wife and she is free to speak her mind, but anything she says needs to be weighed with the fact that she's only a pilot's wife.

 

[netjetwife]

Fisch, Foz, and ST, I appreciate your support and enjoy posting with you guys. When I want to talk about the latest happenings, I don't have to explain all the background to y'all like I do to my friends and neighbors. As usual, y'all made good points....

SCT, it sounds as though you personally have no direct connection to the frac industry, is that right? To clarify, your family's income isn't derived from the frac industry like my family's is? You're family doesn't volunteer for the Union, as mine does?

Apparently your discrimination is so ingrained it doesn't register. Fisch, Foz and Sting all saw it right away. SCT, if your spouse's co-workers met online to discuss common issues like working conditions, schedules, and pay, you would certainly be qualified to discuss the situation as one directly affected. If your family made huge sacrifices for the greater good I bet you'd even be welcomed with open arms.

Behind complaints there is usually a pet peeve and/or hidden agenda. So your's is tips, huh? Then you'll be interested to know that my husband and the other pilot both got a $150 tip yesterday from a family that voluntarily chose to express their appreciation. The pilots didn't rudely reject it, on the contrary, my husband enjoyed the recognition of his extra efforts to make the busy day go smoothly for his pax.

As a reminder, experts in the service industry state that pilots aren't tipped when they only fly the plane; however, those who do additional duties to personally assist the passengers have earned special recognition (often expressed w/money) for going above and beyond their flying tasks. According to the experts (not to mention common courtesy) tipped pilots should smile and say thank you. They warn that refusing a gracious gesture would be insulting and possibly embarrassing to those who choose to express extra appreciation with their compliments.

To those of you thinking here we go again, I say.... He started it!