FLASH, This just in,...NWA and DAL pilots

[737 Pylt]

Yes, but you fail to appreciate my Honda generator, Sat reciever and 65 inch plasma. The only in flight entertainment the NWA passengers get is watching my TV while on final to 8L in ATL.

Or the cnn monitor in the detoilet terminal while waiting for their dc9 to be fixed while on yet another mx delay!:laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[Fly4hire]

Airline Merger Talks Continue Wednesday - March 26, 2008 - 05:00 AM CT

Got a link - this doesn't show up in any of the news wires or NYT site?

 

[Superpilot92]

Well certainly it would be best if oil wasn't over $100/bbl, and certainly we are all in for a bumpy ride, however I don't think that a merger with NWA is inevitable. I believe DAL has other strategic alternatives that may be more workable and may in fact be preferable.Maybe, maybe not, what would happen if NWA and CAL merge? they would have a strong hold on the skyteam alliance and DAL would be the odd guy out. Thats CALs biggest concern right now between NWA/DAL. EIther way keep sipping on the koolaid it should keep everything in a blurr j/k (kinda lol)

International expansion is an important part of DAL's plan of reorganization and it has worked well. These aircraft are nothing new and management has reaffirmed their plan to take delivery of these aircraft which are a vital part of our international expansion plans.

The ideal time for getting on the same page was 2 months ago. If there is going to be a merger, your MEC is going to have to step up and take some ownership of the SLI. Passing the buck and putting the careers of your pilots in the hands of an arbitrator, is an abdication of leadership I think they have figured out it is better putting it in the hands of an arbitrator as opposed to putting it in the hands of DALALPA to decide. DALALPA doesnt want to go to an arbitrator because they know their stance is lopsided and an arbitrator will see right through it. .

Discuss

 

[FDJ2]

Oh yeah, from the 10k's,:
DAL average fleet age = 12.4
NWA average fleet age = 17.5 (11.1 if you take out the -9's, as you guys say is going to happen)

What a huge difference

Ouch, that is an old fleet. 17.5 years old. Look at the bright side, once all your DC-9s are gone your average fleet age will be just north of 11.1.

Do you have any replacement aircraft on order for those aging DC-9s?

What's the average age of your 747-200s. 25?

What's the average age of your 747-400s. 15?


Good thing you got the last of your A330s in there to drive your average down. We'll be taking delivery of 22 new aircraft through 2009, that should help us out.

 

[FDJ2]

Got a link - this doesn't show up in any of the news wires or NYT site?

It appears to be a reprint of a three week old Reuters article.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN0565283420080305

 

[FDJ2]

Discuss

There's nothing left to discuss. That's the point.

 

[737 Pylt]

Do you have any replacement aircraft on order for those aging DC-9s?

Sure they do, its called "Compass."

What's the average age of your 747-200s. 25?

Probably older than detoilet320! Oh wait, he's a greenbook....Nevermind!:laugh:

What's the average age of your 747-400s. 15?

Wow, that is old, and gass guzzling to boot!

Good thing you got the last of your A330s in there to drive your average down. We'll be taking delivery of 22 new aircraft through 2009, that should help us out.

Shhhh. Don't go confuising those guys with facts, it only confuses them!
Like fins said, at least the price of aluminum has gone up, so they'll get some good coin for those aging dc9's!!:laugh:

737

 

[NuGuy]

Got a link - this doesn't show up in any of the news wires or NYT site?

Agreed...this doesn't show up on the NYT site after a complete search. There are also no corrections or retractions. A general google search shows only one hit on the article

http://www.homeandawaymagazine.com/content.cfm?n=396

...and who knows, they may have gotten it from here.

This could just be a mistake, but I don't think that the NYT would rehash a story like this as FDJ suggested, considering they had fairly decent coverage of both the DAL and NWA MEC responses after things fell apart. The NYT and the Washington Post are really the only two decent papers left, and they are usually reasonably careful about checking their facts.

In any event, I'm calling BS on this one.

Nu

 

[FDJ2]

This could just be a mistake, but I don't think that the NYT would rehash a story like this as FDJ suggested, considering they had fairly decent coverage of both the DAL and NWA MEC responses after things fell apart.

Don't bet on it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN0565283420080305


The NYT and the Washington Post are really the only two decent papers left, and they are usually reasonably careful about checking their facts.

Nu

Their facts are correct, just dated.

 

[Redmeat]

The real kicker would be if these announcements and aircraft are actually being planned already for the combined carrier. think about it

You are very wise young grasshoppa.

You sure you are a pilot?

 

[NuGuy]

Their facts are correct, just dated.

Heyas FDJ,

I'm not arguing that the info is BS or dated, I'm just saying that it's NOT like the NYT to pull up a news wire article from 3 weeks ago and post it as today's news, especially considering that they've run stories under their own by-line since the covering how things fell apart.

Mistake? maybe...

BS, probably...someone could have just changed the date and slapped NYT on it. The fact that it didn't show up in a NYT search tends to back this up.

Nu

 

[~~~^~~~]

Or the airplane orders are the "go it alone plan."

 

[IXLR8]

Wow, $1.7B more, what multiple is that of NWA's revenue. Ouch.

How many DC-9s are you parking this year, how many 747s? Do you have any scheduled deliveries this year? No. Ouch.

Why does your MEC still want this deal?

Oh, there it is..broken record again...blah blah blah....

 

[IXLR8]

So it's all bogus and the NWA guys are NOT calling the Delta guys...wow...what a shock.

 

[Superpilot92]

You are very wise young grasshoppa.

You sure you are a pilot?

Nah, i am just a pilot who doesnt buy into all the BS. If the shareholders what it, and mgmt wants it they are going to try and no matter how much the DAL guys want to say it, mgmt is not putting their pilots wishes in front of everything else. Its going to keep getting interesting and in the meantime i am going to grab a beer and get some popcorn :beer:

 

[IXLR8]

I'll take a Sam Adams thanks!...scratch the popcorn...gotta watch the weight...I want to make sure I fit in that shiny new 787 someday, if it ever gets here...if it's really on order, if it ever flies, blah blah blah....

 

[General Lee]

The only pool you should be concerned about is the hiring kind you'll be trying to get into after your next trip through CH11. Unless we merge and our financials save you down the road. In which case you really need to get up to speed on your terminology. I'm "senior bluebook" ....as in "My Captain is a senior bluebook guy from NWA".

Hey look everyone, it is NORTHWEST to the rescue!!! They will come in with their stellar financials and rescue anyone who MAY have some trouble down the road(even though Air France would EASILY do the same for us in a heartbeat). How does NWA do it? They took most of it from the NWA pilots during their BK. Yes, they kept their pensions, but lost everything else. But hey, if you need a loan, go to them first!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

I'm
BS, probably...someone could have just changed the date and slapped NYT on it. The fact that it didn't show up in a NYT search tends to back this up.

Nu

Well, my take is that "Home and Away" ran a 3 week old Reuters article that just so happened to have a NYT credit on it.

Sometimes it's a slow news day at "Home and Away".

It sure kept this forum popping though.

 

[General Lee]

I'll take a Sam Adams thanks!...scratch the popcorn...gotta watch the weight...I want to make sure I fit in that shiny new 787 someday, if it ever gets here...if it's really on order, if it ever flies, blah blah blah....

I can't wait to see a NWA 787. Man alive, it will be su-wheat! And, maybe on the day it rolls out it will be parked next to one of our new Delta Space Shuttles. Wow, that would be fantastic.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Nah, i am just a pilot who doesnt buy into all the BS. If the shareholders what it, and mgmt wants it they are going to try and no matter how much the DAL guys want to say it, mgmt is not putting their pilots wishes in front of everything else. Its going to keep getting interesting and in the meantime i am going to grab a beer and get some popcorn :beer:

While you're at it, PLEASE, PLEASE, take a look at the index of a high and low chart. Learn how to read those again. Also, review SID/STARs. Do you guys on the DC9 have to file your own flight plans too? I hope not.


Bye Bye--General Lee