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[B19 Flyer]

Perhaps you need a refresher of what you said? Well here it is.



How many of you feel like B19 feels like our military guys are freeloading to get their ratings? Am I the only one upset by these comments???

Don't tell me that is not what you said! THESE ARE YOUR OWN WORDS.

You ain't got the nuts to post the exact quote the way that it was written, because you know that she's wrong!

Here it is, one last time:

People make different choices, and my direct observation is that if her husband had to dig into his own pocket to learn to fly like many of us did, would he have made the same choice? She is a non-pilot posting on the coat-tails of her husband, whom I don't know but respect simply based on his military background.

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19,

What in her post is so disrespectful? Let's take the quote that you have taken and tried to twist it out of it's context.

"Another good analogy, GF. All those rank and file frac workers...personally, I prefer CA1900's term-- support folks...were free to be pilots if they had chosen to make that investment. "

"...rank and file workers..." - pretty obviously refers to non management employees.

"...free to be pilots if they had chosen to make that investment." - which part of this do you have trouble with. They were certainly free to make the choice to become pilots and either didn't or are in the process. If they did pursue that track, there most certainly would have been an investment. This investment could have been monetary, or through a military commitment.

You are worse than a politician. You take a single talking point out of a whole eloquent thought and try to twist it to meet your agenda. Well, if you can't tell, nobody here is fooled. In fact, I rather enjoy watching a coat tail riding, non-pilot handle your asinine posts with such ease and tact. Keep up the good work.

Because the original post CLEARLY stated that rank and file employees were negatively affected by the CBA.

I understand that you are not a brain surgeon because you chose not to make that investment, but if the only group covered by the CBA is pilots, then it's pretty obvious that rank and file is ANYBODY NOT COVERED BY A CBA.

It's clear she has a low opinion on those that either chose or was forced on to a different career path.

 

[fischman]

You ain't got the nuts to post the exact quote the way that it was written, because you know that she's wrong!

What are you talking about??? I cut and pasted your EXACT words when I quoted you! There is a bit of reality you aren't able to grasp.

You are the one who is wrong. Not NJW.


Again.

 

[gunfyter]

You know, I had thought B19 was a paid union-Buster...

But don't those firms usually hire more intelligent people?

Note to the management at Ford and Harrison:

... Please bring back FamilyGuy. At least he knew what he was talking about.

 

[Hawkered]

Where did Family Guy go?!

 

[theskyking]

Couple of things interesting about B19's arguments.

It's amazing how much time is spent trying to prove that NJW and her arguments are irrelevant. Multiple remarks about how she is a coat tail rider and has no business remarking about our industry. If she is so irrelevant, why so much energy in attacking what she has to say. Either she is relevant to the conversation, or she isn't. If she is, then you have to take her word at face value and not twist them to meet an agenda.

Another argument has to do with the distribution of pay. B19 said that in order for the pilots of 1108 to receive a raise, it had to come at someone else's expense. I think you would be hard pressed to find any workers at NJ that received a pay cut to fund our salaries. Let's take this argument to it's logical conclusion. I guess that means that B19 would be willing to forgo any raises or bonuses offered him because there very probably is someone else at his company that deserves a raise. I'm kind of doubting he has ever made that offer.

I think if anyone one's irrelevance has been proven over and over, it's B19.

 

[theskyking]

Because the original post CLEARLY stated that rank and file employees were negatively affected by the CBA.

I understand that you are not a brain surgeon because you chose not to make that investment, but if the only group covered by the CBA is pilots, then it's pretty obvious that rank and file is ANYBODY NOT COVERED BY A CBA.

It's clear she has a low opinion on those that either chose or was forced on to a different career path.

Still looking for evidence of any negative statement by NJW towards our support staff. Her statements simply point out that people have choices.

Just like your statement towards me and that I am not a brain surgeon. Not sure of your intent, but from your previous posts and demeanor, I take it that you are making a jab at my intellect. Well, just so you know, I attended a private university on a scholarship and ended up with a BS in molecular biology and chemistry. While there, I worked in a genetics lab for two years doing research on life expectancy and the effect of antioxidant producing genes. So, I take this pre med education, and guess what. I made a choice. I decided to go a different direction and pursued a passion of mine and went and worked with animals for 7 years. I was basically a laborer making below average pay because I made a choice.

Then, you know what, I made another choice. I pursued another passion of mine and started flying. Doing this set me back years financially. But I made the choice.

That's all her post was about. Choices. We make them and hopefully things work out. The thing is that there are always people who choose not to be happy with how their choices panned out. Not much we can do about that. But if someone wants to attain what we as a pilot group has, all they have to do is make the choice.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Still looking for evidence of any negative statement by NJW towards our support staff. Her statements simply point out that people have choices.

Just like your statement towards me and that I am not a brain surgeon. Not sure of your intent, but from your previous posts and demeanor, I take it that you are making a jab at my intellect. Well, just so you know, I attended a private university on a scholarship and ended up with a BS in molecular biology and chemistry. While there, I worked in a genetics lab for two years doing research on life expectancy and the effect of antioxidant producing genes. So, I take this pre med education, and guess what. I made a choice. I decided to go a different direction and pursued a passion of mine and went and worked with animals for 7 years. I was basically a laborer making below average pay because I made a choice.

Then, you know what, I made another choice. I pursued another passion of mine and started flying. Doing this set me back years financially. But I made the choice.

That's all her post was about. Choices. We make them and hopefully things work out. The thing is that there are always people who choose not to be happy with how their choices panned out. Not much we can do about that. But if someone wants to attain what we as a pilot group has, all they have to do is make the choice.

No, you are wrong. Her post was specific.

It's clear she has a low opinion on those that either chose or was forced on to a different career path.

 

[theskyking]

You keep saying she was specific, but as of yet you haven't produced any proof. I read these posts, right around #96 or so, and see nothing of the sort. I guess it depends on the agenda you are pushing as to how you choose to interpret them.

I think the most irritating thing about you is that an intelligent discourse is impossible. You refuse to acknowledge facts that are plain as day. Let's go over a few of them.

1)The work that 1108 did at NJ has produced an industry leading pay scale that is sending positive ripples throughout the industry. We are happy to see our non union comrades receive some of the same benifits. But the fact is, their pay would not be where it is if it weren't for the precedent set at NJ.

2)The benefit package at NJ is industry leading. The interpretation of the regs by our union and management provides the safest environment in the industry to work.

3)Netjets is the dominant force in the industry with a huge lead in market share. Profits are increasing every year in spite of the overpaid pilots.

Without having access to payroll's records, I think it is safe to assume that these financial benifits are being felt throughout the company. If there is anything our management has learned in the last few years, it's the value of a well motivated work force.

We all know there have been abuses by unions in the past. But to avoid any kind of organization because abuses have occurred at one time or another is asinine. No one would belong to any social organization (church, politics, fraternities, etc...) if that were your take on life.

So, I suggest you let 1108 plow ahead with this cooperative relationship that's been developed with our company leaders. If NJ falls on it's face due to the greedy pilots, then you can be the first in line to say "I told you so". But until then, do us a favor and SFU.

 

[BengalsFan]

will you all please stop argueing and wasting this thread?