DHL in talks to sell US Unit to FDX

[ABXbooger]

Thank god they do not allow smoking at BW3 anymore. Saves me from washing my clothes when I come home from there.

 

[shooter]

We disagree over what Sable can and cannot do. Fair enough, time will tell.

Besides, since the head boffins has told us they ain't going to sell DHL US to anybody, this thread may have run its course.



Then I'd buy you a beer! Yes, I'm in ILN around April/May. Do they still allow smoking at the Buffalo Wild Wings?

If I am still here in April/May I will buy the beer. I don't know about Buffalo Wild Wings I have never been there. But Ohio passed a state law to ban smoking in all public places including bars, so I am in the middle of quitting. Going into my 3rd month and its been a bear!

 

[mxer]

Euro,
Maybe not so much disagree, just different view points. If the same Mickey D Big Mac sells in every market, then great. Sell it! However if you have a desire to grow in a town that prefers chicken nuggets and you buy a restaurant that specializes in chicken nuggets, then why not let them sell the dang chicken nuggets instead of trying to force feed the big mac. Thats where we say that ABX had a system that was working and there was no real need to change it. If it had worked, then great. But it didn't.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

...since the head boffins has told us they ain't going to sell DHL US to anybody, this thread may have run its course.

The "head boffins" haven't denied speaking to FedEx. That alone should raise some alarms.

What do you think the reason for those talks might have been? Is it possible that;

1. They want to establish a "fair pricing" agreement that would allow them both to make a profit on International shipments?
2. Is DHL consulting with FedEx on ways to make their own U.S. operations profitable?
3. Does DHL want to buy FedEx's U.S. operation to support their International services?
4. Does Klaus Zumwinkle think Fred Smith is "kinda cute" and wants to, you know...just see what's up with him and whether he'd like to go see a live performance of "Cabaret" at Bar jeder Vernunft?

 

[TWA]

McDonalds has been successful throughout the world for the exact reason DHL isn't successful in the US, they adapt to the market they are entering. If you go to a McDonalds in Japan or Australia, you will see some things on the menu that would be absolutly unheard of in the US.

Throughout the rest of the world, you pay for an overnight shipment and expect it to be there within two weeks. In the US, when we pay for overnight we expect overnight! For some reasons the Germans can't accept the fact that we Americans expect what we are paying for.

As far as the ILN hub goes, if one shows up expecting a bad experience, they will more than likely notice all of the bad and none of the good. Try looking at it with an open mind.

If the Germans in charge of DHL have such high standards, for sure they fired all of the people in Milwaukee, right??? High standards my a$$, you would never expect that from an American company like UPS or Fedex. It didn't seem to even phase the higher ups at DHL.

Keep wippin your ass with that American dollar, because if we go down we're takin the rest of the world with us. Hell, the European markets went into a nose dive a few weeks ago on a US holiday over speculation of the US market. Just remember that when you run out of dollars, Euros have greater surface area. Cheers:beer:

 

[abxaviator]

In explaining the US losses a while back, Dr. Z. admitted they had "underestimated the demands of the American consumer", but they did not then rise to meet those demands once they were aware.

 

[AV8OR]

"I take serious offence to being called French. I shall therefore refer to you as being a Canadian. French Canadian even."

LOL....dude that's funny right there.

 

[EuroWheenie]

Had a talk with a very senior DHL person over beers on Friday. Whilst he couldn't, or wouldn't, be very precise he mentioned the following options:

1) DHL pulls out of NA all together.

2) DHL sells the NA domestic operation to another operator (i.e. FedEx)

3) DHL sells the NA domestic operation to FX and FX sells the EU operation to DHL

4) DHL "pulls a FedEx" and decides to service only major business areas in NA.

5) OPS normal, as far as operations goes, but with major contractual changes (ABX is presently being paid cost +X for every flight performed for DHL).

1 and 3 seems the least likely, but I've no idea which way the tide will turn.

Latest plans will see my sorry self amongst the corn fields in mid May. If that's firmed up, suggest you'll allow me to take whomever fancies going out for a couple of brews and a meal on the expense account. I can smoke outside in May

 

[shooter]

Had a talk with a very senior DHL person over beers on Friday. Whilst he couldn't, or wouldn't, be very precise he mentioned the following options:

1) DHL pulls out of NA all together.

2) DHL sells the NA domestic operation to another operator (i.e. FedEx)

3) DHL sells the NA domestic operation to FX and FX sells the EU operation to DHL

4) DHL "pulls a FedEx" and decides to service only major business areas in NA.

5) OPS normal, as far as operations goes, but with major contractual changes (ABX is presently being paid cost +X for every flight performed for DHL).

1 and 3 seems the least likely, but I've no idea which way the tide will turn.

Latest plans will see my sorry self amongst the corn fields in mid May. If that's firmed up, suggest you'll allow me to take whomever fancies going out for a couple of brews and a meal on the expense account. I can smoke outside in May

Not that any of us have a say in the matter, but for the sake of the jobs in ILN I like #4. All major markets served by DHL delivery workers and rural areas served by the @home product.

Thanks for the input. Our rumor mill needs EU fodder to remain viable for longer periods. But if it has not been debunked and lasting greater than 4 hours, whether painful or not, should seek immediate emergency medical attention.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

Had a talk with a very senior DHL person over beers on Friday. Whilst he couldn't, or wouldn't, be very precise he mentioned the following options:

4) DHL "pulls a FedEx" and decides to service only major business areas in NA.

5) OPS normal, as far as operations goes, but with major contractual changes (ABX is presently being paid cost +X for every flight performed for DHL).


Latest plans will see my sorry self amongst the corn fields in mid May. If that's firmed up, suggest you'll allow me to take whomever fancies going out for a couple of brews and a meal on the expense account. I can smoke outside in May

These are the two that I hear the most being batted around (Selective hearing maybe??) As for #5, we over at Bldg 11 are in the same "cost +" boat"

EW, So you're going to be exposed to the Glycol tainted water here. What did you do or who did you do it to that got you TDY in ILN?

FAJ

 

[nitefr8dog]

Had a talk with a very senior DHL person over beers on Friday. Whilst he couldn't, or wouldn't, be very precise he mentioned the following options:

1) DHL pulls out of NA all together.

2) DHL sells the NA domestic operation to another operator (i.e. FedEx)

3) DHL sells the NA domestic operation to FX and FX sells the EU operation to DHL

4) DHL "pulls a FedEx" and decides to service only major business areas in NA.

5) OPS normal, as far as operations goes, but with major contractual changes (ABX is presently being paid cost +X for every flight performed for DHL).

1 and 3 seems the least likely, but I've no idea which way the tide will turn.

Latest plans will see my sorry self amongst the corn fields in mid May. If that's firmed up, suggest you'll allow me to take whomever fancies going out for a couple of brews and a meal on the expense account. I can smoke outside in May

I personally do not think you have clearance to talk to the clerk in the DHL mailroom, or maybe that is who you are talking to! DHL pulling out of US all together would be just like the Germans 60 years ago start a project then commit suicide. Dp has said over and over they have no plans to pullout of the US market.So the people you are talking to do not know jack.

 

[EuroWheenie]

I personally do not think you have clearance to talk to the clerk in the DHL mailroom, or maybe that is who you are talking to!

His title is something along the lines of Global Aviation Director; hardly mailroom material. I'll let him know that an ABX driver disapproves of his abilities.

 

[fozzie]

Dhl

I guess you have us all terrified now that you are going to turn in our comments to the ever powerful and all knowing Global Aviation Director. Wow, I am so impressed. Your previous comments on the possible scenarios and outcomes of DHL are so enlightening and forward thinking. It seems to me that your main purpose is to stir the pot!! Euro, what ever happens---- happens. If I have to seek a new job, then I will accept that fact and go forward with my life and accept the challenge. People like you disgust me. You sit in some other country thumbing your nose at people you don't even know. These are hard working people, who want their career to be successful and want DHL to be successful. If your problem is Joe Hete, then write him a letter and tell him so. Better yet, when your here in May (the prime outdoor smoking season in Ohio), go to Joe Hete's office and speak your mind his face. I am not defending Joe Hete, but please don't thumb your nose at the hard working people at ABXAIR and make them the scapegoat of the current situation.

 

[nitefr8dog]

His title is something along the lines of Global Aviation Director; hardly mailroom material. I'll let him know that an ABX driver disapproves of his abilities.

"Something along the lines" just my point. Just go back to the mailroom and start sorting the rest of the mail!

 

[MJH767]

Anyone ever heard of an agitator who went by the handle "Rhoid". don't take the bait.

 

[TWA]

Anyone ever heard of an agitator who went by the handle "Rhoid". don't take the bait.

Mod, Mod, IP check please!

 

[shooter]

His posts for the past 3 years have proven to be quite consistent, so I have no doubt he is who he says he is. I do however have to agree with the rest of you that question the reasons for posting such a broad spectrum of possibilities other than to stir the pot. But if you read into his posts (other than the fact he seems to harbor some grudge against ABX) he has tentative plans to be in KILN in May. This could be good because that would mean they have already decided to keep the operation in ILN.

Why you harbor hatred toward ABX is beyond me weenie. But to quote a song you should be familiar with; Always Look on the Bright Side of Life.

Some things in life are bad;
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best, and.……

 

[EuroWheenie]

Fozzie

I really couldn't give a flying fcuk how impressed or not you happen to be, and I think I've made it pretty clear that my beef is not with ABX staff but their management. For all I know the vast majority of ABX staff might very well be decent, hard-working and upstanding pillars of society. Some comments here, however, does make me think if certain ABX people are under the impression they are gods gift to express freight.

I really have no intention of paying Joe a visit. First ofall I don't know the geezer and secondly it's way above my paygrade barging into a directors office and tell him he's a w@nker. The fact that I happen to take a beer with some very senior boffins with DHL, and through those social encounters happen to discuss some rather interesting topics, does not make me a senior manager.

nitefr8dog

Giving the exact title would kind of blow my cover, wouldn't it just? Do you really think I'm at liberty to discuss the things I have? I might very well find myself in knee-deep doo-doo if someone put two and two together.

Shooter

I'm way to detached emotionally to harbour any hatred towards something like an entire company. I am, along with a large number of DHL people this side of the pond, frustrated at the attitude we get from ABX management.

But on a personal note I'd very much like to thank you for keeping this conversation civil - hurling insults and calling eachother names does not make for a constructive debate in my humble opinon.

PS
Am a big fan of the Pythons, and often find myself hum along to the very song you refer to - which can be a tad distressing to those in my immediate surroundings as I'm pretty close to being tone deaf

If live seems jolly rotten
there's something you forgotten
and that's to laugh and smile dance and sing
when your feeling in the dumps
don't be silly chumps
just purse your lips and whistle that's the thing

Life's a piece of shiite, when you look at it
life's a lauge and death's a joke it's true
you'll see it's all a show
keep 'em laughing as you go
just remember that the last laugh is on you.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
always look at the bright side of life

 

[nitefr8dog]

Fozzie

I really couldn't give a flying fcuk how impressed or not you happen to be, and I think I've made it pretty clear that my beef is not with ABX staff but their management. For all I know the vast majority of ABX staff might very well be decent, hard-working and upstanding pillars of society. Some comments here, however, does make me think if certain ABX people are under the impression they are gods gift to express freight.

I really have no intention of paying Joe a visit. First ofall I don't know the geezer and secondly it's way above my paygrade barging into a directors office and tell him he's a w@nker. The fact that I happen to take a beer with some very senior boffins with DHL, and through those social encounters happen to discuss some rather interesting topics, does not make me a senior manager.

nitefr8dog

Giving the exact title would kind of blow my cover, wouldn't it just? Do you really think I'm at liberty to discuss the things I have? I might very well find myself in knee-deep doo-doo if someone put two and two together.

Shooter

I'm way to detached emotionally to harbour any hatred towards something like an entire company. I am, along with a large number of DHL people this side of the pond, frustrated at the attitude we get from ABX management.

But on a personal note I'd very much like to thank you for keeping this conversation civil - hurling insults and calling eachother names does not make for a constructive debate in my humble opinon.

PS
Am a big fan of the Pythons, and often find myself hum along to the very song you refer to - which can be a tad distressing to those in my immediate surroundings as I'm pretty close to being tone deaf

If live seems jolly rotten
there's something you forgotten
and that's to laugh and smile dance and sing
when your feeling in the dumps
don't be silly chumps
just purse your lips and whistle that's the thing

Life's a piece of shiite, when you look at it
life's a lauge and death's a joke it's true
you'll see it's all a show
keep 'em laughing as you go
just remember that the last laugh is on you.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
always look at the bright side of life

All BS flame!

 

[Clipperskip]

Fozzie


Shooter

I'm way to detached emotionally to harbour any hatred towards something like an entire company. I am, along with a large number of DHL people this side of the pond, frustrated at the attitude we get from ABX management.


Euro,

I continue to be confused and bewildered over your preception that ABX Holdings CEO Mr. Joe Hete has not "played ball" with DHL or DPWN. Correct me if I am wrong but at the time of the Airborne Express purchase by DHL, ABX Air was "spun off" and made a publically traded company. By law CEO Hete and the ABX Board of Directors are beholding to the stock holders of ABX Air not to DHL. Obviously ABX has a large vested interest in the viablility of DHL but that is not in ABX's control. Hete and the BOD's responsibility is to maximize shareholder value. It is apparent that the "small mark-up" in the ACMI deal thrust upon ABX at the time of the spin off was not in the long term best interests of the shareholders. Therefore, it must be assumed that CEO Hete's responsibility is to either encourage a longer term and more financially lucurative ACMI than present or to diversify and achieve addition revenue streams less dependent on DHL. He has chosen to pursue both. Apparently this is why CEO Hete is "not in favor" with DHL Management. On the other hand, what has DHL done to the publically traded ABX air during the last four years; they have shrunk the ABX Air fleet (a loss of around 18 DC-9s and 7 DC-8s and the revenues they generate) and they have reduced the ABX revenue stream of Sort and Hub management by taking over those responsibilites themselves. ABX Air has continued to watch their largest customer reduce their revenue stream and the shareholder value. Even under these rather difficult conditions it appears that CEO Hete has tried to extend an olive branch by committing two additional ABX Air B767-200SFs to the DHL system under present "bargain basement" ACMI rates. It is clear that these a/c could generate more revenue in the open market (ref. ANA) but Hete decided to support his largest customer in their time of need even if it meant taking less money. From ABX Air's point of view since the integration they have continued to watch DHL make substantial financial investments in "other" organizations such as Polar, and Astar Air cargo and partnerships with Lufthansa Cargo (Jade Cargo/AeroLogic). It seems to me that perhaps it is DHL who is not including ABX Air in the ball game. Yes, I know what you are thinking so please let me address it at this time. There was that press release back in late June of 2007 that said that Astar Air Cargo was intending to make an "offer" to buy ABX. The ABX Air BODs and Hete decided that the offer, as it was submitted, was not in the best interest of the shareholders and therefore they recommended that it not be pursued. Once again, he is just doing the job entrusted to him by the shareholders.

Astar Air Cargo, on the other hand, is not publically traded and therefore not beholding to public stock holder's demands of value and return. CEO Dasburg would therefore be more "legally flexible" to be servant of DHL's desires without fear of being removed from his position due to disregard of his fiduciary responsibility. I believe that this is the way DHL wants it. If they wanted the same deal with CEO Hete and ABX Air at the time of the spinoff then they should have made ABX Air privately held.

DHL has been financially bleeding in the USA for quite sometime. This is very unfortunate for all of us who derive our earnings either directly or indirectly from them. DHL has not only lost the market that they acquired when they purchased Airborne Express but the hearts of their employees as well. This is understandable when DHL continues to make decisions that jeopardize the careers of their contractors. I have tried to keep an open mind throughout the whole process but my morale is scrapping bottom. When the buyout took place I had pride in the flying the yellow and red airplanes now after my company has been continually blamed for the integration mess, and after seeing DHL's commitment to Polar, Astar, and Lufthansa and their apparent utter contempt for ABX Air, I look forward to flying the grey and red ones. I hope that there will soon be a day that I once again take pride in being a contractor for the gobal express operator DHL but honestly that is up to them. Let me say that I harbor no ill will toward my brothers and sisters at Astar Air Cargo they, too, are victims in this tragedy.

The past is the past. Let DHL learn from it, regroup, and and plan a new course of action. I hope for all our sakes they develop a winning strategy for the US as well as the world. I hope, additionally, that ABX is part of that plan but that will be their decision. Thanks for the Monty Python references they are something that we surely can agree on.