My hero....JC Lawson... Profile in CVG Enquirer...bring some Kleenex

[PCL_128]

I have accepted that. You don't get it. My request is leave me and my job alone, and stop trying to reneg on a decision you ("mainline") made 10+ years ago. I don't "expect" more outsourcing, I do expect them to stop attempting to steal my job back.


You are parroting anti RJDC propaganda now.

Actually, I agree with you on that. Mainline carriers shouldn't be trying to take scope back, unless the take the regional pilots with it. But you referenced NWA and my time on the MEC at PCL, and we didn't have any of that larger flying already. It was just a possibility at the time. Those planes didn't arrive at XJ and Comp-ass until I was gone. So, if the mainline pilots had taken crappy payrates to fly the -700s and -900s, no regional pilot would have lost his job, but the mainline guys would have retained the scope. That's why I said "expanded" flying in my post. We didn't already have it, so it wasn't ours to lose.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Actually, I agree with you on that. Mainline carriers shouldn't be trying to take scope back, unless the take the regional pilots with it. But you referenced NWA and my time on the MEC at PCL, and we didn't have any of that larger flying already. It was just a possibility at the time. Those planes didn't arrive at XJ and Comp-ass until I was gone. So, if the mainline pilots had taken crappy payrates to fly the -700s and -900s, no regional pilot would have lost his job, but the mainline guys would have retained the scope. That's why I said "expanded" flying in my post. We didn't already have it, so it wasn't ours to lose.

So it seems like we agree, even though that's not what you said the first time.

 

[N2264J]

Re: My hero....JC Lawson... Profile in CVG Enquirere...bring some Klennex

Especially the one outside of bk, the "pay freeze" for the 170s you never got.

We took the pay freeze for the fleet guarantee. To characterize it as anything else is inaccurate.

ALPA would not let us negotiate our own scope, [to ALPA, that's mainline's perview after all] so we jumped at the chance to have a fleet guarantee - in other words, a backdoor scope policy that would have stopped the bleeding at Comair had it not been overcome in bankruptcy.

Personally, I thought that was worth paying for.

Remember, there was a time before bankruptcy when we thought we might be able to avoid it. The Comair pilots did their part despite the evidence that Comair
was a viable concern on its own, operating in the black.

And that is something you won't hear from Generally.

 

[N2264J]

The lawsuit is over. It failed.

Actually, the lawsuit will live on forever in ALPA policy.

 

[FDJ2]

Actually, the lawsuit will live on forever in ALPA policy.

Over seven years of of litigation and all you got was the right to receive a memo from the mainline. :laugh:

It was funny reading all the RJDC bluster about how solid their case was, just to see them throw in the towel when it came time to put up or shut up.

How pathetic. The least Dan Ford could have done after taking all that money from his supporters and dropping all those trips was to see it through. Instead he just caved.:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Actually, the lawsuit will live on forever in ALPA policy.

Actually, that's a pleasant thought! The tiny addition to the Admin Manual will always be a memorial to the utter failure of that loser Dan Ford. His cowardice and failure will live on forever!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Actually, that's a pleasant thought! The tiny addition to the Admin Manual will always be a memorial to the utter failure of that loser Dan Ford. His cowardice and failure will live on forever!

Please. Stop with the BS rhetoric.

 

[PCL_128]

Please. Stop with the BS rhetoric.

I'll stop with the "BS rhetoric" as soon as the RJDC supporters admit that their settlement was a joke. Trying to spin this as some sort of victory is absurd, and you know that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'll stop with the "BS rhetoric" as soon as the RJDC supporters admit that their settlement was a joke. Trying to spin this as some sort of victory is absurd, and you know that.

1. That's never going to happen.

2. Why do you care what they think? What concern is it of yours that they "admit" defeat?

 

[PCL_128]

1. That's never going to happen.

Yeah, I'm well aware.

2. Why do you care what they think? What concern is it of yours that they "admit" defeat?

I certainly don't care what they think, but if they're going to continue to spew rhetoric, then I'll return the favor. Their claims of some great victory will not go unchallenged.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yeah, I'm well aware.I certainly don't care what they think, but if they're going to continue to spew rhetoric, then I'll return the favor. Their claims of some great victory will not go unchallenged.

The Chinese definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result every time.

But by all means, keep beating your head on that wall. Eventually it won't hurt anymore...

 

[PCL_128]

The Chinese definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result every time.


But by all means, keep beating your head on that wall. Eventually it won't hurt anymore...

Actually, I just find it entertaining.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Actually, I just find it entertaining.

Yet another sign of insanity...

 

[N2264J]

Their claims of some great victory will not go unchallenged.

Noone is claiming a great victory. It was a settlement.

If you think the mainline MECs are going to do anything more than just email a copy of the scope section to the regional MEC, then you're kidding yourself.

Are you implying that ALPA negotiated the settlement in bad faith? (And he says he's on ALPA's side!)

It's easy to see why you're such an effective recruiter for ALPA.

 

[PCL_128]

Are you implying that ALPA negotiated the settlement in bad faith?

No, I'm implying that MECs will comply with the letter of the law. If you want true cooperation rather than just the minimum required by the settlement, then you'll have to get your regional MECs to build relationships with the mainline MECs. True cooperation doesn't happen at the point of a gun.