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Mythbusters, Plane on a treadmill..

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Originally Posted by ASA_Aviator
Do you lose "waterspeed" in a river if you change directions while paddling? No...

If you are doing turns around a point, your airspeed remains constant, even if there is a wind. You drift with the wind, unless you conpensate by increasing your rate of turn during the downwind portion.

Anyway, no. Your groundspeed changes, but your airspeed remains constant. Isn't that obvious?

I actually had someone argue with me that the 250 kts rule below 10k applied to groundspeed. I actually couldn't believe the thought that.
 
If you're flying right at a thunderstorm, you're going to hit it. Thunderstorms DO move at the same speed as the air mass; they are created by, and exist entirely within, the air mass! We're not driving cars on the highway, or a ship on the sea, we're flying an airplane in the air. There's just one frame of reference; otherwise you're just fooling yourself.

What do you guys think about losing airspeed in a downwind turn? It's the same basic question...

That was bait right?
Please don't tell me you think you lose airspeed in a down wind turn.......
 
I actually had someone argue with me that the 250 kts rule below 10k applied to groundspeed. I actually couldn't believe the thought that.

Had a substantial tailwind one day over GSO one day. After being told to slow to 200kts and actually doing so, the lady controller asks me (with that I'm in trouble tone), didn't I slow you to 200kts, I still see you doing 260 across the ground? I gave her a pirep on the winds aloft in hopes she might be able to put 2 and 2 together but I still don't think she got the point!
 
Any more last minute opnions before Mythbusters tonight? For the record, I'll say the airplane won't be able to accelerate and there will be no motion in relation to an observer standing next to this airplane-treadmill contraption. The thing won't fly. I'll be back on here in an hour to either eat crow or do the "I told ya so" dance to everyone who thought it'd fly.

-tot
 
Uhoh! The model rolled off the end of the treadmill.... I think by the end of this episode some people on here will not know what to believe anymore.
 
Any more last minute opnions before Mythbusters tonight? For the record, I'll say the airplane won't be able to accelerate and there will be no motion in relation to an observer standing next to this airplane-treadmill contraption. The thing won't fly. I'll be back on here in an hour to either eat crow or do the "I told ya so" dance to everyone who thought it'd fly.

-tot

how do you like your crow? medium well? ;)
 
It amazes me that any seemingly intelligent people could actually argue with this. The fact that some pilots needed a couple of guys with a cable show to prove something so simple is just sad.
 

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