Rolling Rest - Explain Please.

[CaveoFalco]

Yep, IBT 1108 solved that problem allright. Now you can see crews showing up at 0700 and sitting all day at an FBO with no plane. An alternative to the above scenario is where the crew has a beer, calls it a day, and if they do get an early call-out, they are ready. If no calls, they are in their room resting. Can it be abused..sure. Depends on management. Careful what you chose.

IBT1108 (read as the crews) did fix the problem in 2004-2005 for NJA. When the Company tried to leverage a contract by sitting pilots in the FB) with no airplane and/or no other crewmember, they just spotlighted intentions that were negotiated out in the 2005 CBA and improved upon in the 2007 CBA. The pilots spoke their collective voice into a contract in which you are either on duty or in rest - period. Under the 2007 CBA if you get sent to an FBO with no airplane and/or no other crewmember, you get OT after 3 hours and double OT after 7 on top of any other OT you get. Once in a while they will probably pay up but by and large they will probably just keep the pilot or crew in the hotel, on duty. While in the hotel you are on duty and not in "rolling rest". That will let crews plan their rest which will aid in decreasing fatigue situations and contribute to safer operations.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Here's a scenario that could happen. You get into seattle at 4pm, and you are told that you are flying to NY the next night at 10pm. so you are doing a red-eye flight. so, you plan to stay up until maybe 4am, then sleep until mid afternoon or something, whatever you think you need to be rested to fly through the night. So you stay up watching late night TV, infomercials, then turn off the light at 4am. at 4: 01 the phone rings, and the company tells you to report to the airport as there is now a 7am trip on you to do something else. oopps....

 

[jetwash]

Yep, IBT 1108 solved that problem allright. Now you can see crews showing up at 0700 and sitting all day at an FBO with no plane.

At Flops you are on duty at 5:00 am standing by for a trip at 11:00 am.

If the company wants to burn 6 hours of your duty time with you sitting at the FBO (sleeping) in the morning they will pay for it when there is a late afternoon/evening pop up trip and you are out of duty time at 7:00 pm.

There have been many charters just because crews were put on duty an hour too early in the morning.

 

[DirtyBeech]

jackpilot,
Welcome to Flex. You'll find that it's a good place to work and is tetering on becoming a great place to work. I haven't had many early wake up calls recently. I did have one on my last rotation, but it was the first in a long time. Whether or not it's happening to me, I know that it is happening to others, and it's not right. Our mgt. in combination with the CAB have made resolving the rest issue the top priority for both parties in the first quarter. Some see that as a reason for hope, others see it as a bunch of fluff. Either way, Flex's QOL issues will only improve through active employee involvement so jump in and lend a hand.

 

[jackpilot]

Thanks DB. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[cherry20's]

Hey jack, does Flex still have a 2 year contract?

 

[bailey3083]

Have had that happen with a red eye from the west coast to the east coast. We both stayed up all night because we were going to be up all night. I went to bed at 5am and the hotel phone rang at 6am notifying me of new trips 8 am show and a 13 hour day. I complained and after 10 hours the finally took the last trip off us sent us to the hotel only to wake us up the next morning at 5am.

 

[fischman]

I just want to be completely clear. Are you required to answer the phone?

 

[JokerFuel]

Fischman, the company may attempt to contact us within the first two hours of the ten hour rest period, or within the last two hours of the ten hour rest period, without causing an interruption in rest. We are not required to have our phones on during the rest period. It is up to an individual crewmember to keep the phone on, (including leaving the room phone plugged in). You are not required to answer the phone at any point while in rest.

 

[finnjl]

At Flex you are in rest at 5PM if you finish early and are available at 3 AM if they need you.

The examples of rolling rest I can think of would be home reserve or if you are setting in the hotel with nothing to do. I would imagine it would go like this. You get a call at 12 noon and are required to work until 2 AM. (14 hours) You are not sure when your duty is going to start and I imagine that is what is called rolling rest.

If you do nothing all day then you are typically put in rest at 5PM again.



You are always given 10 or 12 hours of rest as appropriate