NY Times reports Pardus/Bethune think NWA too messy

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MJ42 - A little off topic, but can you tell us where a new hire at NWA goes? I'm hearing panel on a 747 out of ANC, Compass and other odd options. I thought a Airbus or DC-9 out of DTW or MSP would be a likely first assignment.

How long to hold the 767/757? Is it true that is up around 11 years?

If Compass, is it the left seat of the E170?

Sorry - I'm full of questions.... to tie this back to the thread, just how messy?

 

[MJ42]

I'm not in class yet but from what I understand most new hires are getting DC-9 in DTW or MEM. MSP as a new hire is doubtful. Seems the junior people in class may get SO in ANC, don't know how many more openings to fill in ANC. 320 is unlikely as a new hire but maybe able to hold within the 1st year. I don't know anything about Compass hiring, just that there is a flowback if things go bad.

Probably several years to hold 757 don't know if 11yrs is accurate or not.

MJ42 - A little off topic, but can you tell us where a new hire at NWA goes? I'm hearing panel on a 747 out of ANC, Compass and other odd options. I thought a Airbus or DC-9 out of DTW or MSP would be a likely first assignment.

How long to hold the 767/757? Is it true that is up around 11 years?

If Compass, is it the left seat of the E170?

Sorry - I'm full of questions.... to tie this back to the thread, just how messy?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

No one to compost. That will only happen when the retrencment starts. I believe all newhires have been going to the 9 with a few to anc. There are at least 3 newhires who were trained on the 9 and received a award for 320 and are in training. One flew the 9 for 1 month and I believe the others about the same. I have not looked at the pref-ups lately but will bet if the hiring continues we will see newhires to the 320/757 reserve.

 

[AA717driver]

Why DAL/UAL?

ORD, DEN & SFO

That's why.

Close SLC (or make it a focus city) and CVG.

NWA would fit with CAL. Close CLE and you're set.

AMR would take some of the Asia routes they'd have to spin off to pacify the regulators (who would protest the NWAsia/Air Mic "conflict").TC

 

[lowecur]

Low Cur - United is for sale in pieces. A "salvage sale" might be the right way to charaterize it. There is no indication Delta would want, or buy, all of United. If such a deal were to take place for certain assets, the deal itself would not result in any closures, but would further erode the long term potential for United. So you are hearing that UAL would remain a domestic/Atlantic market, and sell off their Asian routes? Does not the partial dismemberment of UAL have antitrust ramifications, along with a boatload of union problems?

United has some of the best employees in the business. Unfortunately they have been managed by a team with no long term interest in the company. Agree.

That seems to be a trend other companies are following as well. After bankruptcy there is no shame. The people running the show are the dealmakers.

Grinstein had personal pride in his legacy. Of course, he is now gone.

Pardus could not care less about the political fall out. They are the first to say that they are not in this game to make friends.

I would have trouble believing that DL could get approval for the purchase of the Asian routes, because it's a death knell for UAL. I would imagine CAL would also like a chance to bid, if that's the case. If this is indeed the approach that Pardus thinks will work....good luck.

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[lowecur]

Why DAL/UAL?

ORD, DEN & SFO

That's why.

Close SLC (or make it a focus city) and CVG.

NWA would fit with CAL. Close CLE and you're set.

AMR would take some of the Asia routes they'd have to spin off to pacify the regulators (who would protest the NWAsia/Air Mic "conflict").TC

But, Pardus is advocating not going the NWA route as it would involve closing CVG and MEM. They think this would somehow present regulation and union problems. How is the closing or SLC and CVG any different?

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Lowcur:

You're getting the picture. Everything I have heard about UAL internally has been parts, not the whole. Remember the Pan Am guys came out pretty good when Delta bought that part of PAA... and yes, the union did have issues which forced them to mortgage their offices in Herndon to fund the settlement with some PAA pilots who did not make it on the Delta life raft.

UAUA management will only be too happy to say the sale of the Pacific to Delta is a "good thing needed for the survival of the Company" if it gives them a opportunity to cash out.

If this happens, I would expect Delta to take employees with airplanes.

 

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No one to compost. That will only happen when the retrencment starts. I believe all newhires have been going to the 9 with a few to anc. There are at least 3 newhires who were trained on the 9 and received a award for 320 and are in training. One flew the 9 for 1 month and I believe the others about the same. I have not looked at the pref-ups lately but will bet if the hiring continues we will see newhires to the 320/757 reserve.

Cobra - Thank you Sir. That is better and sounds more realistic than the static I had heard.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

How long to hold the 767/757? Is it true that is up around 11 years?

Considerably less. MSP reserve just went to someone with a hire date of 08/01 (recent recall), and MSP blockholder went to someone with a hire date of 01/99.

 

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Why DAL/UAL?

ORD, DEN & SFO

That's why.

Close SLC (or make it a focus city) and CVG.

At first I thought you were making a reference to Virgin; but I like the way you think.