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MERGERS, first DL's Lee Moak states his view, and now the rest follow

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Airline pilots: We'll derail mergers if left out of talks
By LIZ FEDOR
McClatchy Tribune
Published on: 12/12/07

Minneapolis — John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, said Wednesday that his union is prepared to derail airline mergers if executives fail to involve pilots at the outset of consolidation talks.

"We have told the managements and the investment community that if consolidation is going to happen, they must come to ALPA first," Prater said in an interview after speaking to Northwest Airlines pilot leaders in Bloomington, Minn.

"We can make (mergers) work or we can destroy them," Prater said. "We are interested in mergers that form solid and profitable, long-term companies, not ones that just create a transaction so that the investors can cash out."

In his speech to the Northwest pilots, Prater said he talked about "the pitfalls of allowing management to create a US Airways-America West scenario." In that case, he said, the executives pressed ahead with a merger and "refused pay parity" for the combined pilot group.

In a merger involving ALPA pilots, Prater said that he will insist on "recovery from the bankruptcy era." He said that pilots will expect improvements in their pensions, work rules, wages and job protection.

"We will take the opportunity to help provide strong companies, but it's not going to be based upon the backs of cheap pilots," Prater said.

Pardus Capital Management, a New York-based hedge fund, tried to ignite a round of industry consolidation in mid-November when it called for Delta to merge with United Airlines. The Delta pilots union, which helped kill a hostile takeover by US Airways in January, criticized the hedge fund's attempt to push Delta and United into a quick deal.

At Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest, CEO Doug Steenland said in October that the carrier is evaluating merger scenarios, but it has not signaled whether it will initiate a deal.

Dave Stevens, chairman of the Northwest pilots union, said Wednesday that the pilots prefer that the airline remain independent and grow through alliances.

However, if a merger develops at Northwest, Stevens said that he has told Steenland and Board Chairman Roy Bostock that the pilots must benefit from the "value creation." The pilots would demand equity in the new company as well as contract improvements. Northwest pilots ratified two pay cuts — 15 percent and 23.9 percent — and agreed to other contract changes in bankruptcy that are saving Northwest more than $600 million a year in pilot costs.

Stevens said that a much broader constituency than the Northwest pilots would be affected by "who buys and who sells" in an industry consolidation.

Steve Derebey, a United pilot and union spokesman, said Wednesday that if any entity tries to force a transaction on the pilots "you'd see a marked and hostile reaction."

"We could ensure that a merger would fail," he added.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Airline pilots: We'll derail mergers if left out of talks
By LIZ FEDOR
McClatchy Tribune
Published on: 12/12/07

Minneapolis — John Prater, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, said Wednesday that his union is prepared to derail airline mergers if executives fail to involve pilots at the outset of consolidation talks.

"We have told the managements and the investment community that if consolidation is going to happen, they must come to ALPA first," Prater said in an interview after speaking to Northwest Airlines pilot leaders in Bloomington, Minn.

"We can make (mergers) work or we can destroy them," Prater said. "We are interested in mergers that form solid and profitable, long-term companies, not ones that just create a transaction so that the investors can cash out."

In his speech to the Northwest pilots, Prater said he talked about "the pitfalls of allowing management to create a US Airways-America West scenario." In that case, he said, the executives pressed ahead with a merger and "refused pay parity" for the combined pilot group.

In a merger involving ALPA pilots, Prater said that he will insist on "recovery from the bankruptcy era." He said that pilots will expect improvements in their pensions, work rules, wages and job protection.

"We will take the opportunity to help provide strong companies, but it's not going to be based upon the backs of cheap pilots," Prater said.

Pardus Capital Management, a New York-based hedge fund, tried to ignite a round of industry consolidation in mid-November when it called for Delta to merge with United Airlines. The Delta pilots union, which helped kill a hostile takeover by US Airways in January, criticized the hedge fund's attempt to push Delta and United into a quick deal.

At Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest, CEO Doug Steenland said in October that the carrier is evaluating merger scenarios, but it has not signaled whether it will initiate a deal.

Dave Stevens, chairman of the Northwest pilots union, said Wednesday that the pilots prefer that the airline remain independent and grow through alliances.

However, if a merger develops at Northwest, Stevens said that he has told Steenland and Board Chairman Roy Bostock that the pilots must benefit from the "value creation." The pilots would demand equity in the new company as well as contract improvements. Northwest pilots ratified two pay cuts — 15 percent and 23.9 percent — and agreed to other contract changes in bankruptcy that are saving Northwest more than $600 million a year in pilot costs.

Stevens said that a much broader constituency than the Northwest pilots would be affected by "who buys and who sells" in an industry consolidation.

Steve Derebey, a United pilot and union spokesman, said Wednesday that if any entity tries to force a transaction on the pilots "you'd see a marked and hostile reaction."

"We could ensure that a merger would fail," he added.


Bye Bye--General Lee

A merger might keep your company alive, why would you want to stop it?
 
A merger might keep your company alive, why would you want to stop it?


You're right, and the pilots union would have to determine if that was the case. But, if it is put together by a bunch of hedge fund jerks for their own profit and nobody elses, then that would be a bad thing. Even Dalpa said we would be open to the "right merger" if we NEEDED to do it and it was beneficial to all. (Not just Hedge fund geeks) These hedge funds can buy people like Gordon Bafoon and make them try to convince people certain mergers could work. That is ridiculous, and Lee Moak came out first and said so. (the rest just followed)

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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You are fighting a battle that you will never win my friend.

The only way to achieve more control over your own life is through financial planning that takes care of yourself since noone else will. Having said that; abandoning the outdated model that ALPA et al use is the only amicable way that I can think of to adapt to the new reality (read Deregulation Act) of airline business.

We should concede and adapt to the new reality... cange the way that our profession controls us and begin to control our profession. The only way to do this is to make ourselves portable. Meanwhile, our unions have remained the same as they were thirty years ago and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.

What say you?
 
You know Gen, if I didn't know that you and 737Pylt were already an item I'd say that you have a bit of a man-crush on Mr. Moak.

I hate to break the news to you, but if enough of the guys at the top of the food pyramid want a deal to get done it's going to get done. Ensuring an airline's failure and ensuring a merger's failure are two entirely different things.
 
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You are fighting a battle that you will never win my friend.

The only way to achieve more control over your own life is through financial planning that takes care of yourself since noone else will. Having said that; abandoning the outdated model that ALPA et al use is the only amicable way that I can think of to adapt to the new reality (read Deregulation Act) of airline business.

We should concede and adapt to the new reality... cange the way that our profession controls us and begin to control our profession. The only way to do this is to make ourselves portable. Meanwhile, our unions have remained the same as they were thirty years ago and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.

What say you?

Hey, I married rich, so I am ok financially. As far as our group goes, we pay our union to fight for us. Sometimes we are backed into a corner (when a BK judge thinks we make too much money for example), and have to do things to survive. We showed Wall St and the hedge funds what we could do with the proposed USAir buyout of Delta. Everyone on Wall St was salivating on that deal, but we mustered up the political clout to have it smashed, and we could do it again if needed. You see, the people who really can raise a stink are the local politicians. If you whip them up, and tell them they may lose their 2 RJs a day from their middle of nowhere city, they get in a huge huff. They are the most vocal, and can make CEOs like Parker sweat in front of a Senate or Congressional hearing. We have done it in the past, and we can do it again. I think our unions are finally seeing the fact that we can have a say in our own destiny.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
You know Gen, if I didn't know that you and 737Pylt were already an item I'd say that you have a bit of a man-crush on Mr. Moak.

I hate to break the news to you, but if enough of the guys at the top of the food pyramid want a deal to get done it's going to get done. Ensuring an airline's failure and ensuring a merger's failure are two entirely different things.

You really are a tard. Didn't Wall St and the big hedge funds want the USAir and DL deal to go through? Right? You bet. We got the politicians involved and made sure it did not. Get the local politicians involved and things will grind to a hault. And, since you have nothing to really say here you throw in the "gay" inuendos. It's kinda sad you have to resort to that type of stuff. It says a lot about you and your lack of debating skills.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Get the local politicians involved and things will grind to a hault.

Bye Bye--General Lee


You're kidding yourself if you think that your union has the juice to get that done on its own.
 
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You fell right into my trap

You're kidding yourself if you think that your union has the juice to get that done on its own.


Really? I think others may disagree, heck, I know it. Here is part of an article from THE STREET concerning why Northwest would have been a better fit than United:

"Meanwhile, the thought of a merger with United and a move of Delta's Atlanta headquarters troubled U.S. Rep Lynn Westmoreland, R-Ga., who questioned Delta CEO Richard Anderson Thursday at a House Aviation Subcommittee hearing on airlines' preparations for the holiday travel season. Westmoreland proclaimed his loyalty to Delta, saying that he represents many Delta employees and that he, his wife and daughter are former employees. He said he was disappointed to read of the merger talks, had also read Delta's denial, and wanted to hear from directly Anderson that there were no discussions.

I haven't talked to [United CEO] Glenn Tilton or any other executive at United since the last time I was in the industry four years ago," Anderson responded. "There are no discussions, there have been no discussions. I was as surprised at that AP article as you were."

Then Westmoreland declared Delta is "a southern company," adding "We don't want the family moving north. We want to keep the family in Atlanta." To which Anderson responded: "We couldn't agree with you more. It's a great airline with a great legacy that goes back to Monroe, Louisiana."
Westmoreland's comments recalled a statement by Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., in January, when US Airways (LCC - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr - Rating) CEO Doug Parker appeared before the Senate Commerce Committee to defend his proposed acquisition of Delta.


"I must say you are an aggressive suitor," Lott told Parker. "But the lady from the South -- Atlanta -- doesn't seem to want to be forced into this shotgun wedding."
In fact, that hearing provided a strong indication that while a US Airways and Delta merger may have had backing from Wall Street and from hedge funds, it wasn't popular with lawmakers. A week later, it collapsed. Perhaps Westmoreland's comments should serve as a reminder that Congress will get involved if airlines move to consolidate. Not to say there won't be mergers, but clearly regional loyalists and various opponents will have a chance to be heard."




So, our union couldn't get it done on our own, eh? Even that article stated Wall Street wanted the USAir and DL deal to go, and it did not thanks to political pressure, thanks to us. You really did fall into my trap. That was easy.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
These are so fun to read......Some of you Delta guys can get so worked up.....I think these boys are messing with you.hahah
 
These are so fun to read......Some of you Delta guys can get so worked up.....I think these boys are messing with you.hahah

I don't think Onyoursix is a Delta guy, and he can tell that regionaltard is acting very tard-ed. Hey, if he wants to respond that way without backing up his statements with anything of substance, he can do that. I really can't even understand tard's response. Read it again.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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