MERGERS, first DL's Lee Moak states his view, and now the rest follow

[DrunkIrishman]

"Keep Delta My Delta"

I wasn't aware that the "my Delta" drive was only done by the pilots. The entire labor force at Delta as well as the state of Georgia was behind this plan - yes? My point was that the pilot group by itself cannot accomplish the goals that the union is spouting. I heard nothing from Mr. Moak saying he would get anyone else on board.

On a side note...we will never know how serious the USAir deal was with or without the employee campaign...nonetheless, I was glad to see that it failed.

 

[regionaltard]

I don't think Onyoursix is a Delta guy, and he can tell that regionaltard is acting very tard-ed. Hey, if he wants to respond that way without backing up his statements with anything of substance, he can do that. I really can't even understand tard's response. Read it again.

Bye Bye--General Lee

You've inferred that a thumbs up from Lee Moak is a necessary condition for a merger involving Delta to go forward and I say that you're as full of $hit as a Christmas goose. Find me an article that includes "in response to pressure from the Delta Pilots' union" in the context of political pressure being applied. Failing that, you might want to familiarize yourself with the differences between causation, cooperation, and coincidence.

 

[General Lee]

"Keep Delta My Delta"

I wasn't aware that the "my Delta" drive was only done by the pilots. The entire labor force at Delta as well as the state of Georgia was behind this plan - yes? My point was that the pilot group by itself cannot accomplish the goals that the union is spouting. I heard nothing from Mr. Moak saying he would get anyone else on board.

On a side note...we will never know how serious the USAir deal was with or without the employee campaign...nonetheless, I was glad to see that it failed.

Well, we had a clause in our contract that allowed us the ability to veot or approve any merger, and that was not contested by the BK judge. We also lined the Congressional hearing with Delta pilots in uniform when Parker and his one cronie spoke, so I would say we were the driving force. Our union, the only one at Delta, was instrumental in talking to Congressmen and Senators throughout that process, and Grinstein appreciated it. We weren't doing it for him though, we knew he would be gone sooner than later. We were doing it for us, and we won.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You've inferred that a thumbs up from Lee Moak is a necessary condition for a merger involving Delta to go forward and I say that you're as full of $hit as a Christmas goose. Find me an article that includes "in response to pressure from the Delta Pilots' union" in the context of political pressure being applied. Failing that, you might want to familiarize yourself with the differences between causation, cooperation, and coincidence.

So, you also didn't know about our up or down thumb vote for approval of mergers in our contract? The BK judge never contested that at all, and I think Grinstein was happy it was in there. As far as political pressure, I think our union does a great job, when needed, to gather support. We were the ones orchastrating the resistance towards USAir---not Grinstein etc. You need to re-read the article again. Grinstein didn't really know what to do, and Moak spearheaded the fight against. And, maybe the author of this article doesn't know AS MUCH AS YOU DO about Dalpa. Both articles--the one I just posted about NWA being a better fit, and the one about MOAK--both from The Street---Jim Cramer's website. Yeah, you seem to know a heck of a lot more than both authors. You should write an article about Dalpa between your Valdosta turns.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[regionaltard]

So, you also didn't know about our up or down thumb vote for approval of mergers in our contract? The BK judge never contested that at all, and I think Grinstein was happy it was in there.

Of course he was happy. Anytime a pilot group believes in something that just isn't so, that's good for the guys in the suits. If you honestly believe that your company was wiling to abdicate rights that have been the sole prerogative of management since the dawn of time I can't even begin to imagine the other misconceptions that you must be operating under. Excepting of course the ones you've been kind enough to share with us here...

 

[Sedona16]

The bottom line is that Anderson is a smart guy.....smart enough to know that when the pilots union president has repeatedly said "you need us on board or this will never work" he'd better listen. If it is forced there will be slow downs, huge cost increases due to "by the book flying" and a hornets nest of labor unrest that will dive the company into poor customer service and unprofitablility from wence it may never return. He wont jeapardize all that just to make a merger happen. It will be with the pilots on board or not at all. You can take that to the bank.

 

[regionaltard]

The bottom line is that Anderson is a smart guy.....smart enough to know that when the pilots union president has repeatedly said "you need us on board or this will never work" he'd better listen. If it is forced there will be slow downs, huge cost increases due to "by the book flying" and a hornets nest of labor unrest that will dive the company into poor customer service and unprofitablility from wence it may never return. He wont jeapardize all that just to make a merger happen. It will be with the pilots on board or not at all. You can take that to the bank.

Do you honestly believe that the people who put these things together care what happens after their fee checks clear the bank?

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

The title of this thread is laughable.

"Moak the tough guy. A real leader."

Yeah he put up a hell of a fight. A lot of hot air then bent over just like everyone else and signed on the bottom line for concessions. It was also very impressive when the retired pilots were able to come back and fly. Another feather in the cap of advancing the pilot profession.

I think Moak still has crusted white Grin-stains on the lapel his dorky looking double breasted uniform.

 

[bleagle]

The bottom line is that Anderson is a smart guy.....smart enough to know that when the pilots union president has repeatedly said "you need us on board or this will never work" he'd better listen. If it is forced there will be slow downs, huge cost increases due to "by the book flying" and a hornets nest of labor unrest that will dive the company into poor customer service and unprofitablility from wence it may never return. He wont jeapardize all that just to make a merger happen. It will be with the pilots on board or not at all. You can take that to the bank.

Are you saying DAL has good cs?

 

[B737 Guy]

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[Scope out RJ's]

You know Gen, if I didn't know that you and 737Pylt were already an item I'd say that you have a bit of a man-crush on Mr. Moak.

I hate to break the news to you, but if enough of the guys at the top of the food pyramid want a deal to get done it's going to get done. Ensuring an airline's failure and ensuring a merger's failure are two entirely different things.

General Lee makes some very valid comments, too bad you can't.
Just one question for you. Is it difficult for you to sit at the computer while your mommy changes your diaper?

 

[General Lee]

The title of this thread is laughable.

"Moak the tough guy. A real leader."

Yeah he put up a hell of a fight. A lot of hot air then bent over just like everyone else and signed on the bottom line for concessions. It was also very impressive when the retired pilots were able to come back and fly. Another feather in the cap of advancing the pilot profession.

I think Moak still has crusted white Grin-stains on the lapel his dorky looking double breasted uniform.

Wow Frank, I think you know the difference between accepting concessions while under the BK umbrella, and accepting them you're not. Heck, you have been their twice yourself with CAL.

As far as the retired pilots flying, that was due to our contract stating any pilot could give ONE DAY notice to retire--looking at the GATT Rate. That gave the company almost no notice, but did allow pilots to choose when they wanted to retire. So, at the last day of any given month during that time periond, up to 400 pilots (or all of the 777 Captains) could decide to walk or stay. The company could not keep a schedule knowing every Captain on a certain fleet could go with 24 hours notice. Allowing those guys (who were not over 60 at the time) to stay for a few months allowed us to train other people who weren't going to go. It was a win--win---we didn't park fleets and Captains could go with the best Gatt Rate available and keep some more cash. It had to be done, and nobody was over 60 years old at the time. But, you knew that, right? Whatever.

And you can only wish to have a double breasted Soviet Sub Commander uniform. The chicks dig it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Do you honestly believe that the people who put these things together care what happens after their fee checks clear the bank?

Lee Moak doesn't think so. AGAIN, you need to re-read the article. Moak even said he laughed at the hedge fund jerks when they said "you need to get this done in 90 days...." Really, you can underestimate him if you want, but he has more going for him than you ever will. But, you are the next Gordon Gecko.....?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[400ADude]

This thread might be better stated as "Gen Lee states his opinion and then uses his other usernames to agree with himself"

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Someone refresh my memory about what happened with Eastern/Texas International/Continental. Wasn't that can of worms protested heavily by a pilot group?

P.S. This is a legitimate question so please refrain from the scab discussion.