Age to 65

[Mach92]

So reading over on the majors section they "boys" seem to be very mad at 65 passing. Here at NetJets we have a ton of over 60 guys. Hell I think we have several over 70. Interesting reading for sure. I did get a call from a friend at SWA saying his upgrade will now be close to 12-14 years.

 

[gutshotdraw]

The legislation should have created a mandatory retirement age of 65 for ALL compensated flying: Part 91, 91K, 135 and 121.

How is it that the day you turn 60 (or 65) you can no longer safely fly a Southwest 737 but you can go down to Van Nuys or Vegas or wherever and jump onto a BBJ and go blasting around the world until you can't hold a medical or drop dead?

Let's either have one, across-the-board, consistent retirement age, or none at all.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The legislation should have created a mandatory retirement age of 65 for ALL compensated flying: Part 91, 91K, 135 and 121.

How is it that the day you turn 60 (or 65) you can no longer safely fly a Southwest 737 but you can go down to Van Nuys or Vegas or wherever and jump onto a BBJ and go blasting around the world until you can't hold a medical or drop dead?

Let's either have one, across-the-board, consistent retirement age, or none at all.

Politics. Please don't wish the same regulated bull$hit on our sector of the industry as 121 has.

121 remains the most regulated, unregulated industry in the world.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Politics. Please don't wish the same regulated bull$hit on our sector of the industry as 121 has.

Too late.

 

[208starcheck]

At Netjets I've flown with a ton of 65+ guys. I'm starting to get a little scared. Every single one of the guys that were 67+ should not be flying. They get confused so easily and can't adapt to the changes fast enough. I'll agree the 60-65 range is flyable. I'm seeing a slight drop in ablity but still very capable. 67+ they are falling apart.

My question is... Who makes the call that a pilot is no longer safe? How bad does someone get before they are finally kicked out? How long is someone allowed to fly unsafe until the nonexistent process finally boots them?

I really do love to hear the life stories. Most of these guys have lived an interesting life. They just don't know when to start a new chapter.

We all get old. We all are terrible at judging when to stop.

 

[realityman]

208,

The problem is, it happens on both ends of the age scale. I haven't flown with anyone over 65 at NJA yet, but I understand where you're coming from.

Question is, would it be any better with a 300 hour wonder in the right seat of that RJ you ride on to work? After talking with many many ex-regional pilots here at NJA, I'm just as scared riding on the regionals as I am being stuck with a geezer who can't keep up.

True, the young guy should improve, whereas the older gent may continue to get worse, but how do you fix it? Ask for more govn't regs on both ends of the experience timeline? Not sure I want more govn't interference.

 

[fischman]

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[fischman]

I'll take flying with a 67 year old retired Delta Captain over a 300 hour riddle wonder kid any day of the week. When the $hit hits the fan, I want someone calm and collected over someone who is going to start throwing switches sitting next to me.

I only have 4000 hours. I'll take experience any day.

 

[Duke of Ale]

Reality Man:
Yes you have flown with someone over 65!!!!! Hehe!

Oh, and 208S....... I will challenge you to flying and RON'ing.

 

[realityman]

Duke, you don't count!!! You're more of a partying dude than I am, hands down!!!

And if that's the case, I think you're the only one I've flown with in that demographic. So my opinion of pilots over 67 has to be: In my experience, they do a great job. No worries here.

Still scared of the regionals though.

 

[208starcheck]

Reality Man:
Yes you have flown with someone over 65!!!!! Hehe!

Oh, and 208S....... I will challenge you to flying and RON'ing.

I didn't say I was super pilot. I also don't need to measure dicks to make my point. My concern is when and how do you start pulling these guys out if they don't excuse themselves?

Many of the guys I flew with want to fly into their 70s. Their was a guy in the Falcon that was pulled out of the left seat cause he couldn't cut it anymore. How long did it take to pull him out? How many month/years was he unsafe before the company finally pulled him out of the left seat? One good thing about flying with someone that old is they get tired fast. Fatigue is used more often.

 

[Duke of Ale]

208S..........

What got me was your statement : "Every single one of the guys that were 67+ should not be flying."
I am one of those and thus my challenge.

 

[pilotyip]

So what the deal with with over guys still on the senority list going back in the 121 cockpit. Like our over 60 DA-20 drivers can they go back to the DA-20?

 

[208starcheck]

208S..........

What got me was your statement : "Every single one of the guys that were 67+ should not be flying."
I am one of those and thus my challenge.

Read it again. I was talking about the guys I FLEW WITH.

"Every single one of the guys that were 67+ should not be flying."


I have yet to fly with someone over the age of 67 that is demonstrating full capabilities. I have no doubt there are people out there that can do it at that age. I'm not targeting you. I have not flown with you.
So I'll ask again
"My concern is when and how do you start pulling these guys out if they don't excuse themselves?"

 

[FLYLOW22]

I'll take flying with a 67 year old retired Delta Captain over a 300 hour riddle wonder kid any day of the week. When the $hit hits the fan, I want someone calm and collected over someone who is going to start throwing switches sitting next to me.

I only have 4000 hours. I'll take experience any day.

The retired guy has better stories too.

 

[n7715x]

I'm not aware that NJA has a procedure set in stone for dealing with aging pilots who may be deteriorating. Having said that, I do know several of the older guys here recently have had to do some sort of "cognitive evaluation" by a professional to assess their capability to continue flying.

 

[fischman]

The retired guy has better storties too.

What's a "stortie?"

 

[WabiSabi]

The legislation should have created a mandatory retirement age of 65 for ALL compensated flying: Part 91, 91K, 135 and 121.

How is it that the day you turn 60 (or 65) you can no longer safely fly a Southwest 737 but you can go down to Van Nuys or Vegas or wherever and jump onto a BBJ and go blasting around the world until you can't hold a medical or drop dead?

Let's either have one, across-the-board, consistent retirement age, or none at all.

I hear ya. It's not unlike the double standard BS in supplemental O2 requirements between 135 and 121 just because of the Payne Stewart crash. What? 121 pilots have a longer useful consciousness than 135 pilots? Give me a break!

 

[Rouge Warrior]

At least with the older guy you can get the AARP discount at dinner .

2nd the sea stories, I don't ever wanna hear a ohh man it was tough at riddle crap. Puhhhhllleeasseee

 

[mooney flier]

I'll take flying with a 67 year old retired Delta Captain over a 300 hour riddle wonder kid any day of the week. When the $hit hits the fan, I want someone calm and collected over someone who is going to start throwing switches sitting next to me.

I only have 4000 hours. I'll take experience any day.

Thank you for the compliment.

DSA