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House Approves Change to the Upper Age Limit
Language reflects ALPA Executive Board Resolution.
December 11, 2007
The U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation this evening that would raise the pilot mandatory retirement age to 65 by a unanimous vote of 390-0. The measure, introduced by House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee Chairman James Oberstar (D-Minn.), is identical to the language already included in the House and Senate Transportation Appropriations conference report, which is now ensnared in the larger, unrelated fight over completing this year’s spending bills. “I salute Chairman Oberstar and his colleagues for this bold step,” said Capt. John Prater, ALPA’s president. “The legislation passed by the House of Representatives is consistent with ALPA’s Executive Board resolution that is designed to protect the interests of airline pilots and this Association.”
Instrumental in achieving passage of the legislation were House Aviation Subcommittee Chairman Jerry Costello (D-Ill.) and committee members Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.) and Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.).
The Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act, H.R.4343, was introduced this morning and placed on the House suspension calendar, which is a special procedure used to speed up action by setting aside the regular rules of order and requiring a two-thirds majority vote for passage of legislation.
In addition to allowing Part 121 airline pilots to fly up to age 65, H.R.4343 will clarify non-retroactivity, provide sufficient liability protection for unions, prohibit unilateral changes to labor agreements and benefit plans, eliminate the over/under split for domestic operations, and make the rule change effective as of the date the legislation is enacted.
The Senate will now have to decide whether to bring the measure up under their own procedural motion, known as unanimous consent, in which a legislative matter is considered agreed to if no Senator on the floor objects. The Senate has already once before unanimously approved the language of H.R.4343 in the form of the Stevens amendment during debate of the Transportation Appropriations bill on September 11.



This will undoubtably create a nice slow down of major airlines' hiring plans. So sit back, relax, and enjoy your stay at whatever regional you currently call home.
 
Not to be a downer, but i grew up on a street full of pilots back in the 80s.

1 Eastern
2 Pan Am
1 Braniff

2 of the Pan Am guys lost their battles to cancer at 48 and 62.

The Braniff guy died from cancer at 52.

The Eastern guy quit the industry and is in great health.

Point is none of them came close to 65. 3/4 were dead before 65.
 
Well, if they were all planning on retiring before age 60 anyways there wouldn't be the push to up it to 65, would there?

Great to see the age changing just as hiring is slowing for a possible recession. Yaaayy, I love this industry....
 
I figure most will fly until they can collect Social Security and bridge the healthcare gap. Beyond that, I think the majority of pilots will be forced out, by choice or by medical, before reaching age 65. The initial delay may hurt us in the short term, but the airlines are already understaffed, and the hiring MUST continue. I'm not happy about it, but I don't think age 65 will be the career nuker everyone is forcasting it to be.
 
The initial delay may hurt us in the short term, but the airlines are already understaffed, and the hiring MUST continue. I'm not happy about it, but I don't think age 65 will be the career nuker everyone is forcasting it to be.[/quote]


Man I hope you are right. If the change had to come (which I do support...paradoxically), this is the best possible time for it. The airlines are already understaffed, hopefully, the career delay will be minimal.
 
With them upping the age to 65yrs old, a lot of the "younger" FOs are gonna have to baby sit the age 60-65 captain. A lot can happen to the body and mind in that 5 year time frame. I am totally against flying past age 60. A lot of the guys I talk to that are getting close to age 60 dont want to fly past it. Hey, if you need to fly past age 60.. thats what the fractionals are for.
 
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I think the majority of pilots will be forced out, by choice or by medical, before reaching age 65.

A majority could avoid their health problems if they were as ambitious about healthy lifestyles as their supporting drives for ALPA. Learning some basic knowledge of good nutrition and getting off their backsides to exercise a few times a week could reduce the number by 50-70%. I have no sympathy for laziness or downright ignorance to dietary idiocy. If they care that little about their own health and are to ignorant to adopt lifestyles that preserve their flying privilege, they deserve to lose their medicals.
 
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Pdub has it right.
 
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The initial delay may hurt us in the short term, but the airlines are already understaffed, and the hiring MUST continue. I'm not happy about it, but I don't think age 65 will be the career nuker everyone is forcasting it to be. Man I hope you are right. If the change had to come (which I do support...paradoxically), this is the best possible time for it. The airlines are already understaffed, hopefully, the career delay will be minimal.

911 already delayed our career by 5 years plus. All pilots at age 60 didn't get furloughed, didn't have to search for another job and didn't suffer like the rest. Oh they might have had to sell their 2nd boat...or house in the hamptons.
Age 65 just helps those that didn't save for retirement and hurts all those behind them. Not too mention the airlines now have 5 more years of paying their top wage earners. I understand that the airlines provoked the pilot shortage, with the low wages, crappy schedules, and lots of TAFB, so let them suffer for a change.

Woo Hoo age 65 is going through!!!!
5 more years at a regional for me!!!!
Sounds great!!!
 
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This is not that bad, we are all going to wind up at NetJets where there is no retirement age anyways.
 
With them upping the age to 65yrs old, a lot of the "younger" FOs are gonna have to baby sit the age 60-65 captain. A lot can happen to the body and mind in that 5 year time frame. I am totally against flying past age 60. A lot of the guys I talk to that are getting close to age 60 dont want to fly past it. Hey, if you need to fly past age 60.. thats what the fractionals are for.

You mean like the Captains who are baby-sitting you now due to lack of experience ?
 
You mean like the Captains who are baby-sitting you now due to lack of experience ?

No one has to baby sit me.

I dont know if anyone has ever heard this before:

"Once a man twice a baby"

Same goes if pilots fly to age 65. When they first started out they had to be baby sat by a more experienced pilot, now when they hit age 60-65 and they aren't very sharp anymore they are gonna have to be baby sat again.

But anyways eagle, hows that 7year upgrade going?
 
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No one has to baby sit me.

I dont know if anyone has ever heard this before:

"Once a man twice a baby"

Same goes if pilots fly to age 65. When they first started out they had to be baby sat by a more experienced pilot, now when they hit age 60-65 and they aren't very sharp anymore they are gonna have to be baby sat again.

But anyways eagle, hows that 7year upgrade going?

A babbling ridiculous fool...........but you're a kid, so I understand.

EVERY pilot over 60 is going to suddenly become incompatent ?

They have to pass a more difficult checkride then you twice as often. They're certainly no worse.

I know it hurts to have your career kicked in the balls, but you should get used to it, because in all likelihood, you sack is gonna be dented fairly often in this business.

The upgrade ?

Don't care as I upgraded 12 years ago..............$10K/month.
 
I just have to say... Who the hell wants to work to age 65?

I mean, I love flying. But who wants to work that long? (In a perfect world) I'd be long retired by that point.
 
The initial delay may hurt us in the short term, but the airlines are already understaffed, and the hiring MUST continue. I'm not happy about it, but I don't think age 65 will be the career nuker everyone is forecasting it to be.

True, it will normalize after the first batch goes through. But getting that initial group to 65 will take 5 years! On top of that, it will delay the average age of entry level pilots of the major airlines.

Every day this career path becomes less and less profitable.
 
True, it will normalize after the first batch goes through. But getting that initial group to 65 will take 5 years! On top of that, it will delay the average age of entry level pilots of the major airlines.

Every day this career path becomes less and less profitable.

I know this wouldn't be 100% but think about 5 years of no retirements.
5 Years of zero movement.
5 more years of reserve.
5 more years as an F/O.
5 more years at a regional
5 more years as a regional F/O
5 more years to wait to get on that widebody.

either way it's 5 more years of little or no movement no matter where you are.
 

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