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[Poahi]

Ask the folks on UAL 232 how competent they thought Al Haynes was when he saved all of their lives....

Al Haynes wasn't over 60.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

It was a check airman from the back of the airplane that ultimately landed the thing- and figured out how to fly it with the throttles only. He wasn't seated because he was leaning over the pedestal flying and died in the crash. Al haines said "I've got it", moved the yolk full to one side, and figured out it really wasn't working- just like the FO that was flying said.

Sorry...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_E._Fitch

Denny Fitch, the DC-10 instructor who assisted the crew of UAL 232, survived the accident, and in fact returned to flying status despite his injuries. He has done several TV interviews about the accident... It is hard to find a talking dead guy.

As far as Capt. Haines goes, he deserves every bit of credit he has been given, despite what your post insinuates. He used outstanding CRM in an almost impossible situation. Lots of lessons there for all of us.

A little advice? Fact check your posts. The internet is a wonderful thing!

edit for syntax!

 

[eaglefly]

Sorry...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_E._Fitch

Denny Fitch, the DC-10 instructor who assisted the crew of UAL 232, survived the accident, and in fact returned to flying status despite his injuries. He has done several TV interviews about the accident... It is to find a talking dead guy.

As far as Capt. Haines goes, he deserves every bit of credit he has been given, despite what your post insinuates. He used outstanding CRM in an almost impossible situation. Lots of lessons there for all of us.

A little advice? Fact check your posts. The internet is a wonderful thing!

Yeah........a 21 post idiot.

 

[eaglefly]

Al Haynes wasn't over 60.

Like he would have performed great at 59 1/2 and poorly at 60 1/2 ?

Ridiculous.

 

[Speedtape]

No one has to baby sit me.

I dont know if anyone has ever heard this before:

"Once a man twice a baby"

Same goes if pilots fly to age 65. When they first started out they had to be baby sat by a more experienced pilot, now when they hit age 60-65 and they aren't very sharp anymore they are gonna have to be baby sat again.

But anyways eagle, hows that 7year upgrade going?

YOU ARE AN IDIOT! What data are you basing your self-serving findings on? I know alot of 60+ pilot Gentlemen that could whip your ARSE!

 

[JumpersAway]

Sorry...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_E._Fitch

Denny Fitch, the DC-10 instructor who assisted the crew of UAL 232, survived the accident, and in fact returned to flying status despite his injuries. He has done several TV interviews about the accident... It is hard to find a talking dead guy.

As far as Capt. Haines goes, he deserves every bit of credit he has been given, despite what your post insinuates. He used outstanding CRM in an almost impossible situation. Lots of lessons there for all of us.

A little advice? Fact check your posts. The internet is a wonderful thing!

edit for syntax!

I am mearly insunuating that it was a collaborative effort, and not just one old man. Yes, he does get credit, as does the check pilot, and first officer.

You are right- I need to fact check everything posted, just like everyone else on FI

 

[snozberry]

Mica and Oberstar did this to help curtail the pilot shortage. If they really wanted to curtail the shortage they would've made legislation to prohibit executives from raping the employees of this industry. Why would anyone want to enter this industry when they see the loyal and hard workers of it get screwed the way they do?

 

[BoilerUP]

Mica and Oberstar did this to help curtail the pilot shortage.

There is NO FUKCING PILOT SHORTAGE.

 

[ThisistheDream]

SO when does this go into effect??? Starting tommorrow? or will it be 6-9 months or a year away before it actually becomes LAW???

 

[BoilerUP]

As soon as Bush signs, its law.

 

[LearLove]

inlight of these events i wonder what this will do to anymore outsourcing of mainline type flying. Like the 190's. with guys looking a stagnated careers maybe they could push to take back most of the 70-100 seat flying.

 

[Ezralite]

good thing FO's don't "babysit" Captains...if an FO is fortunate enough to sit to the right of a Captain with 40 years of airline experience he or she should view it as a learning experience and not waste it trying to "one-up" the "old" guy or girl

Yes, sometimes FOs do babysit captains. It's a rare occasion, but maybe not for long.

 

[CaptDave]

Senate Unanimously Approves Change to Pilot Retirement Age Limit
Legislation awaits President’s signature to become law

December 12, 2007​

Just one day after the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R.4343, a bill that would raise the mandatory retirement age for commercial airline pilots to 65, the U.S. Senate followed suit tonight when it approved the same piece of legislation by unanimous consent—meaning that no senator objected. “ALPA has worked very hard from the beginning of this process to make sure that the recommendations of the Executive Board—which were intended to protect our pilots—were included in any age change,” said ALPA President Capt. John Prater. “I am gratified to report to our members tonight that this legislation reflects the direction of the Board.”
The bill now goes to the U.S. President for his signature, which will make it law. The timing for this has yet to be determined.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Like he would have performed great at 59 1/2 and poorly at 60 1/2 ?

Ridiculous.

Exactly! In fact Al was an early "poster child" in the media for increasing the mandatory retirement age of airline pilots...

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Yes, sometimes FOs do babysit captains. It's a rare occasion, but maybe not for long.

If it goes on past "high mins" something's wrong...it's just like the "college boy" officer that gets sent to war where the enlisted troops know all the ins and outs and have been fighting for a year...they carry the commander's weight for a bit, but he's still the commander...I can respect an FO who's been there for 8 years in the right seat for both knowing his plane and for staying...but the 4th stripe still gets all the blame whether day 1 or year 30...

 

[Salty Dog]

I never said I was for it. Just that we would be more likely to fly the extra five than the current generation.

Five more years for your savings to compound before you start drawing, Free Cat Guy. That's a good thing. (hilarious avatar by the way)

 

[Crossky]

I am mearly insunuating that it was a collaborative effort, and not just one old man. Yes, he does get credit, as does the check pilot, and first officer.

You are right- I need to fact check everything posted, just like everyone else on FI

Oh, you lump everyone in the same category as you, trying to make you not look so bad? That's bad form my friend, in addition to your frequent bad spelling. In your signature line don't you mean "god bless the peacemakers", not "pacemakers"?

 

[DashTrash400]

I never said I was for it. Just that we would be more likely to fly the extra five than the current generation.

Whether we want to or not. Fly, fly, fly till you die!

 

[Poahi]

Exactly! In fact Al was an early "poster child" in the media for increasing the mandatory retirement age of airline pilots...

Not quite. Al agrees that skills deteriorate over time and there is a difference between a 30 year old pilot and a 55 year old one. He notes there is some advantage with judgement with age, but there are risks as well.

He supports a mandatory retirement age although he doesn't mention a specific number. And if he was strongly in favor of increasing the age, he would have supported it.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Not quite. Al agrees that skills deteriorate over time and there is a difference between a 30 year old pilot and a 55 year old one. He notes there is some advantage with judgement with age, but there are risks as well.

He supports a mandatory retirement age although he doesn't mention a specific number. And if he was strongly in favor of increasing the age, he would have supported it.

You are correct Poahi...I wasn't clear in my statement...I didn't mean that Al supported 65...only that those in favor of 65 attempted to use him as an example that older pilots were still competent...Al's wisdom is reflected in his comments to the public regarding the accident and the age 65 proposal...