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[Lake Alice]

You're right, but because SW/JB was flooding the market wth seats on the backs of the legacy carriers' cutbacks, their low pricing forced us into this predicament (sp) we find ourselves in today!
Keep adding to that by working for 1/2 what you're worth!

737

Wrong, but keep reaching.

I love how legacy flunkies like to blame their failures and paycuts on a JB. Like their 13 aircraft in 2001 or 25 total aircraft in 2002 and roughly 19 cities had anything to do with your situation. Cmon'. You have some brains don't you?

 

[Hpilot]

Ok, let's try a different approach. FMS.....You've been cutting my lawn for the past 5 years making $100.00. You're happy, and are thinking its about time to up your price. But along comes a kid who knocks on my door and offers to do it for $50.00 because he got a great deal on his mower eqp and is just trying to break into the biz. I tell him that I will get back to him. Next time you show up, I tell you that I am cutting your pay in 1/2 and that I am only now willing to pay you $50.00 to do the grass or I will shop elsewhere for a gardner....You're gonna be pretty pissed at the kid willing to work for $50.00 in today's enviroment because you know it is going to be a loss for you to do it for less than what you're making. Do you think you'll have any respect/kind words for the dude that undercut you, and is now taking your business in the neighborhood. After all, in today's environment (airline/whatever) there is NO brand loyalty!


Wrong, but keep reaching!

See my comment about brand loyalty above. Nobody cares what airline they're flying, its all about price!


Go and re read my analogy about the guy cutting grass, and get back to me!


You're right, but because SW/JB was flooding the market wth seats on the backs of the legacy carriers' cutbacks, their low pricing forced us into this predicament (sp) we find ourselves in today!
Keep adding to that by working for 1/2 what you're worth!

737

Oh crap, I actually agree with something 737 Pile-it said. It's time for a shot of Crown.:beer:

 

[HA25]

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2007/10/22/daily4.html

 

[737 Pylt]

Wrong, but keep reaching.

I love how legacy flunkies like to blame their failures and paycuts on a JB. Like their 13 aircraft in 2001 or 25 total aircraft in 2002 and roughly 19 cities had anything to do with your situation. Cmon'. You have some brains don't you?

I love it even more when 1/2 priced pilots actually believe they're contributing to the industry!

737

 

[GuppyWN]

It's a double edged sword. If you're paying $100 to have your grass cut when you can get it cut for $50 and have the same or even more caring job done then who's the fool?

While I would like to see everybody charge $100 to cut the grass I just don't think you have a valid arguement.

Gup

 

[Lake Alice]

I love it even more when 1/2 priced pilots actually believe they're contributing to the industry!

737

Some folks were forced into this position and are not defending the lack of pay and benefits. All I was pointing out is that you are wrong and your argument is flawed and try and come up with something better than "1/2 priced pilots" because as it stands right now the salaries are very comparable.

 

[siucavflight]

Why is this in the majors section?

Is it because they fly bigger airplanes?

 

[Capt. X]

Probably because it impacts your career.

 

[737 Pylt]

Some folks were forced into this position and are not defending the lack of pay and benefits. All I was pointing out is that you are wrong and your argument is flawed and try and come up with something better than "1/2 priced pilots" because as it stands right now the salaries are very comparable.

Its only comparable (and in some cases better) because of you guys and your pals at southwest!

737

 

[jetflier]

Little meat you seem to stretch your associations pretty far.... could it be a touch of the mad cow disease?
I actively back my union, have volunteered on a regular basis and am well liked by my peers.
Just WTF does wanting to get in on the ground floor of a start up have to do with crossing a picket line? What wages I'm willing to start at is really my own business, I wouldn't be so willing to start there if I didn't know that pay raises will follow as things get up to speed. I know a lot of guys who sold their souls to fly a B1900 for midwest/mesa, to get a foot in the door, how is that any different. Guys made a whole lot more flying turbo props at other companies.....seems like some hypocritical thinking to me. (accepting $25 an hour and no health insurance for 6 months is pretty desperate too, don't you think? Do I assume you are going to cross a picket line because of it? No, I'm not in high school anymore.....)

Do Ya think that the "Longshoremen, Plumbers, Electricians unions would even let you show up at a job site with an attitude like that ?

Agreeing to work for substandard wages would never be tolerated by the membership. They are a cohesive group and would not allow their jobs to be replaced with minimum wage workers...you wouldn't even be able to enter the parking lot to go to work.

Well, Pilots aren't a cohesive group....You can enter the parking lot without being hassled....

But if the shoe fits,....wear it !!!

 

[Lake Alice]

Its only comparable (and in some cases better) because of you guys and your pals at southwest!

737

Is that the best you can do, you are wasting my time. Again, when did you take your pay cuts? When did JB start? How many airplanes did we have. Why are our benefits and retirement better(although they still suck) and how much does SWA make? Your lack of ability to provide data for a reasonable discussion speaks volumes. Should I expect a retort of I have cooties.

 

[temcgrew]

Who will come along now and undercut skybus?

Remember, they are an "Ultra" Low Cost Carrier when will someone start a "MEGA-ULTRA" LCC to be competitive?

 

[737 Pylt]

Is that the best you can do, you are wasting my time.

I'll bet its pretty precious....Shouldn't you guys be out there trying to F up the FARs a little more by doing transcon turns!

Again, when did you take your pay cuts?

2004... 3 years after the JB cheap pay concept!

When did JB start? How many airplanes did we have. and how much does SWA make?

Your partners in crime towards the cheap pay concept....They stayed out of our back yards by going into places like BHM, BUR and PVD
You guys expanded on the backs of the legacy airlines. Admit it. Even someone with limited knowledge such as yourself can see it.

Your lack of ability to provide data for a reasonable discussion speaks volumes. Should I expect a retort of I have cooties.

Here's what I find ironic.....
JB comes in, new guy in town, getting sweet deals from the NY port authority on gates, and an even sweeter deal from Airbus.
Charges dirt cheap fares and drives the legacies to compete, driving a lot of carriers into BK.
DL goes into BK thanks to JB and SW and the likes, restructures, comes out charges cheaper fares, and its called preadatory pricing. Welcome to the party pal. You guys created it!
I see you made your first profit in 2 years congrats. How long will it last. I guess you guys don't walk on water with your cheap labor costs. Those airbuses starting to cost some $$ now?
Maybe its time for JB to take some pay concessions. It appears you might be too expensive for your own good!
737

 

[Lake Alice]

I'll bet its pretty precious....Shouldn't you guys be out there trying to F up the FARs a little more by doing transcon turns!

2004... 3 years after the JB cheap pay concept!

Your partners in crime towards the cheap pay concept....They stayed out of our back yards by going into places like BHM, BUR and PVD
You guys expanded on the backs of the legacy airlines. Admit it. Even someone with limited knowledge such as yourself can see it.



Here's what I find ironic.....
JB comes in, new guy in town, getting sweet deals from the NY port authority on gates, and an even sweeter deal from Airbus.
Charges dirt cheap fares and drives the legacies to compete, driving a lot of carriers into BK.
DL goes into BK thanks to JB and SW and the likes, restructures, comes out charges cheaper fares, and its called preadatory pricing. Welcome to the party pal. You guys created it!
I see you made your first profit in 2 years congrats. How long will it last. I guess you guys don't walk on water with your cheap labor costs. Those airbuses starting to cost some $$ now?
Maybe its time for JB to take some pay concessions. It appears you might be too expensive for your own good!
737

Once again you are all rhetoric. We drove you to bankruptcy? And who is accusing you of predatory pricing? You went into bankruptcy due in part to your inept management, unprofitable route structure and over all poor management. Do you remember Song? You intentionally lost money on routes because of the bankruptcy laws. And in the end YOU voted for your concessions and they were completely independent of any other factor. A 25 aircraft company does not force a 400+ aircraft company into bankruptcy. Also, I didnt know the perception of a company doing a transcon turn could affect your bottom line so dramaticaly. Do you actually believe what you post. Good god man. I have some land a bridge for sale.
I will not defend JB pay or its pricing. Its just a job and a stepping stone company but I get annoyed with people like you who feel you need to blame your lot in life on situations which had little to no effect on your current situation. Assuming your idiotic logic why did United or USair go into bankruptcy? Was Jetblue or SWA the problem? Maybe Airtran or Frontier. Someone needs to backhand you into reality. Let me know if I can be of assistance.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Ahhhh, career advice from the Gohet whore...

Go for it and don't let anybody say you can't. Skybus is a good place to be!