Continental New Hires

[1x1]

Hello,

Thinking about applying to CAL. I have found all kinds of good info, but I can't seem to find info on training guarantees, hotel accomodations, time between training and IOE, and also I would actually want EWR, so how long could I expect reserve to last?

Thanks for your considered responses.

 

[IAHERJ]

You get your hourly rate at min report I believe for each day you show up for an event plus continous per diem while you are in IAH as everyone gets EWR as a first base. It will be more than your first few months pay checks while on reserve. Hotel is paid for while in IAH and any other city you travel to for simulator training should you have to use another sim. Reserve on the 737 in EWR is between nothing and 6 months I believe. Hope that helps.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

what he said.



And if you want EWR you are just gonna have to wait in ine with everybody else.:nuts:

 

[IAHERJ]

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[Super Monkey]

1) 72 hr monthly guarantee i.e. 2.4/day 7 days a week once training begins until QLOE (type ride) paid at $30.57 /hr.

2) $44 per day; starts 1st day til QLOE.

3) Marriott or La Quinta (CAL pays)

4) 6-7 weeks of grnd/ftd/sim school 2 days off b/t school house blocks (sometimes get a block of 6 after INDOC).

5) Get a $750 advance check first week; Paid on the 15th. It's the prior month's work minus $750 advance on the 1st.

Ex: First day of class starts on the 15th. You get $750 in a couple of days via direct deposit. On the 1st you get another $750. Then on the 15th you get 16 days X 2.4 hrs (or 17 days in a 31 day month) = $1173.89 Plus per diem of $44 X 16 = $704
Total = $1877.89 - $750 = $1127.89 (minus deductions & taxes).

Soooo on a Nov 15th class date...
1st = $750 (no tax/deduct.)
15th= $1127.89 (minus tax/deduct.)

Sooo on a Nov 1st class date...
1st = $750
2nd = $2771.04 <$3521.04 - $750> [$1320 Per diem +$2201.04 (72 X 2.4)]

6) EWR 737 Reserve for a min 1 month to a max of 3 months depending on how soon you get hired before summer slow down if there is one.

Good luck with your decision and dont let the nay sayers keep you from going to a major because of horrible 1st yr pay, no health insurance for 6 mnths, and a sub par contract. Although this should not have ever happened, it is what it is now. We will move forward and our new MEC will negotiate superior work rules and pay for a dedicated pilot group under a solid company!

Hope this helps!! Good luck!!!!

 

[Pocono Pilot]

1) 72 hr monthly guarantee i.e. 2.4/day 7 days a week once training begins until QLOE (type ride) paid at $30.57 /hr.

2) $44 per day; starts 1st day til QLOE.

3) Marriott or La Quinta (CAL pays)

4) 6-7 weeks of grnd/ftd/sim school 2 days off b/t school house blocks (sometimes get a block of 6 after INDOC).

5) Get a $750 advance check first week; Paid on the 15th. It's the prior month's work minus $750 advance on the 1st.

Ex: First day of class starts on the 15th. You get $750 in a couple of days via direct deposit. On the 1st you get another $750. Then on the 15th you get 16 days X 2.4 hrs (or 17 days in a 31 day month) = $1173.89 Plus per diem of $44 X 16 = $704
Total = $1877.89 - $750 = $1127.89 (minus deductions & taxes).

Soooo on a Nov 15th class date...
1st = $750 (no tax/deduct.)
15th= $1127.89 (minus tax/deduct.)

Sooo on a Nov 1st class date...
1st = $750
2nd = $2771.04 <$3521.04 - $750> [$1320 Per diem +$2201.04 (72 X 2.4)]

6) EWR 737 Reserve for a min 1 month to a max of 3 months depending on how soon you get hired before summer slow down if there is one.

Good luck with your decision and dont let the nay sayers keep you from going to a major because of horrible 1st yr pay, no health insurance for 6 mnths, and a sub par contract. Although this should not have ever happened, it is what it is now. We will move forward and our new MEC will negotiate superior work rules and pay for a dedicated pilot group under a solid company!

Hope this helps!! Good luck!!!!

Wow, I knew it was bad at CAL, but not THAT bad.

Holy cow, CAL! LOL

I would never lower myself to working for those conditions. Sorry, but it's true. Give me a better contract and I might consider working there.

I have heard that CAL big wigs are telling new hires to recommend anyone that they know, because they WILL get an interview. I think they are having a hard time getting people to work there.

Can you imagine why? LOL

 

[atrdriver]

Wow, I knew it was bad at CAL, but not THAT bad.

I have heard that CAL big wigs are telling new hires to recommend anyone that they know, because they WILL get an interview. I think they are having a hard time getting people to work there.

Can you imagine why? LOL

Yeah, those 15,000 apps they have are from people that really don't want to work here. I'm sure glad you busted that interview or the sim, whichever it was. Probably both, looking are your level of intellect.

 

[boxjockey]

First of all, Pocono, I'm not sure if I know you or not, but you really should just move on. I think working at CAL is probably pretty good, despite the deplorable first year pay and insurance problems. I'm sure that these things will be fixed in the coming couple of years. As far as ATR's comments. Please don't think you guys are the only gig in town. Those same 15000 apps are in at every other airline out there, and I would venture to say that many are no longer valid or are seriously lacking in qualifications. My current employer says the same thing about the number of applicants, and yet only 10-15% of the people they want are turning up for interviews. Just another sign of the pilot shortage which is well underway. Where is pilotyip when you need him.

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[thor2j]

First of all, Pocono, I'm not sure if I know you or not, but you really should just move on. I think working at CAL is probably pretty good, despite the deplorable first year pay and insurance problems. I'm sure that these things will be fixed in the coming couple of years. As far as ATR's comments. Please don't think you guys are the only gig in town. Those same 15000 apps are in at every other airline out there, and I would venture to say that many are no longer valid or are seriously lacking in qualifications. My current employer says the same thing about the number of applicants, and yet only 10-15% of the people they want are turning up for interviews. Just another sign of the pilot shortage which is well underway. Where is pilotyip when you need him.

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There is no pilot shortage at the major level, and most likely never will be. The average new hire at cal is around 6500-7000 hours with 2000+ turbine 121.

SO, poc-a-hole, you might soon meet minimums.

 

[rk772]

. Just another sign of the pilot shortage which is well underway.
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Mr. Darby, is that you?

 

[Jetjockey]

New hire pay (airlinepilotcentral.com)

FedEx $56
Delta $49
American $35
UPS $33
United $32
Continental $31
Northwest $30
UsAirways $25

If you ask me, with the exception of FedEx, all these first year pay rates suck! While I don't approve of these first year rates (most obtained through concessionary agreements) , I think most people can see past year one and look toward the 12 year rates. Your not working for year one rates, your working for what the job will pay at year 25.

On another note, back in the day people scoffed at the Southwest pilots because the earned less than their peers. As we all know now, they are the highest paid narrow body pilots in the country. I'm sure some buffoon said, "I'm not working for those guys, low pay, no retirement......"

 

[SKLJ]

Hello,

Thinking about applying to CAL. I have found all kinds of good info, but I can't seem to find info on training guarantees, hotel accomodations, time between training and IOE, and also I would actually want EWR, so how long could I expect reserve to last?

Thanks for your considered responses.

While you are just thinking about applying to CAL, you might want to consider that unless you have a really good internal rec with a signoff by a CP, you will wait years to get an interview.

 

[Jetjockey]

Wow, I knew it was bad at CAL, but not THAT bad.

Have you been sleeping since September 11th? Maybe you were still in high school or school getting your ratings. Let me sum it up. Most Legacy carriers went into bankruptcy, and/ or forced their employees to massive pay cuts to avoid it. It's bad everywhere. The tide is shifting now and it's time to repay those who sacrificed.

Holy cow, CAL! LOL

Laugh? Not me. I'm on the inside fighting for a change for the better. Some people like the sidelines, and will come into game when it's under control. I'm involved in Union activities trying to make a difference and restore what this profession once meant.

I would never lower myself to working for those conditions. Sorry, but it's true. Give me a better contract and I might consider working there.

Good for you and your upstanding ethics and morals. I think your ship has already sailed on Continental. If you do end up on the property at another legacy carrier, your going to endure the same concessionary agreements that everyone else has. There is no utopia at any legacy right now.

I have heard that CAL big wigs are telling new hires to recommend anyone that they know, because they WILL get an interview. I think they are having a hard time getting people to work there.

Hate to hurt your fragile ego on this one, but there are more than a few people willing to work for Continental. Seems everyone is showing up to class. There is no shortage. Just as there is no shortage at UAL, NW, and even US Airways. You really need to let this bitterness go. You are convincing no one. Good luck in your career.

 

[Super Monkey]

Wow, I knew it was bad at CAL, but not THAT bad.

Holy cow, CAL! LOL

I would never lower myself to working for those conditions. Sorry, but it's true. Give me a better contract and I might consider working there.

I have heard that CAL big wigs are telling new hires to recommend anyone that they know, because they WILL get an interview. I think they are having a hard time getting people to work there.

Can you imagine why? LOL

Hey Pockey hole...howz your felony record doin? I'm sorry CAL doesnt hire criminals...you might of had a chance! {Insert serious sarcasm} Idiot!

 

[Captain Overs]

CAL doesn't hire criminals? I'd be careful about that statement.

 

[boxjockey]

Mr. Darby, is that you?

You may not be seeing it just yet in the US, but believe me it is coming. The only thing that will slow it down is a recession. When airlines in China are paying $50K US to buy out training bonds in order to snipe pilots away from another carrier, then there is a shortage. When I receive emails offering $140K US/yr to fly an E145 in India, then there is a shortage. When EK is touring around the world in other airlines back yards in order to drum up recruits, there is a shortage. It may not have worked it's way to the US majors just yet, but give it some time. Write back to me in four years if this isn't the case and I will gladly agree with you.

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[B190Captain]

Wow, I knew it was bad at CAL, but not THAT bad.

Holy cow, CAL! LOL

I would never lower myself to working for those conditions. Sorry, but it's true. Give me a better contract and I might consider working there.

I have heard that CAL big wigs are telling new hires to recommend anyone that they know, because they WILL get an interview. I think they are having a hard time getting people to work there.

Can you imagine why? LOL

Don't forget NO MEDICAL INSURANCE for 6 MONTHS!!!! On top of that Prater (ALPA PRESIDENT) is a CAL Captain. Goes to show how much he cares! or how powerless ALPA is. S*IT pay, no bennies to be a part of a LEGACY Major airline that the president of ALPA is a part of!!

Shameful!

 

[AWACoff]

Posted on 2/24/07


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Originally Posted by Pocono Pilot
I agree.

With all the retirements, CAL could be the most secure major out there. Also, there is a good chance that CAL will be the highest paid eventually with a new contract.

I hope to be there soon.

Need we say more? Pocono is an XJT pilot that failed initial upgrade twice, failed in the interview at CAL, and is now bitter about it. It is sad. It is almost as sad as watching a newborn kitty get run over in the street by an 18 wheeler. Almost...

 

[Visceral]

What is really sad is despite the blatantly obvious flame-baiting from Pocono, how many hit the lure trying to rip the pole into the water.

 

[B190Captain]

Recruiter: Hello Jon Doe, based on the fact that you did well in your interview and paid your dues flying for crap wages, work rules and bennies at the regionals for so long, we would like to offer you a job at CAL. Would you be interested?

Jon: Why yes sir!! I am glad to take the job. (tells himself: WOW, I made it to the MAJORS!!)

Recruiter: Keep in mind since you have worked so hard at your previous regional carriers with little rewards we will p!ss on you a little more and base you in EWR at $30.00/hr and no medical for you and your family.

WELCOME ABOARD SON!

 

[chimichanga]

Recruiter: Keep in mind since you have worked so hard at your previous regional carriers with little rewards we will p!ss on you a little more and base you in EWR at $30.00/hr and no medical for you and your family.

Look, we have another one! Someone who got rejected by Continental and is still bitter about it!

I'm sorry your career hasn't worked out the way you planned. At least JetBlue is a good company, and you're flying a major-like airplane. And I know you don't have to clean the lavs, that's just a joke.

Chimi

PS Hey, duuuuude, were you the one always smoking behind the hangar when we worked at Gulfstream?

 

[B190Captain]

Look, we have another one! Someone who got rejected by Continental and is still bitter about it!

I'm sorry your career hasn't worked out the way you planned. At least JetBlue is a good company, and you're flying a major-like airplane. And I know you don't have to clean the lavs, that's just a joke.

Chimi

PS Hey, duuuuude, were you the one always smoking behind the hangar when we worked at Gulfstream?

Not entirely accurate. I admit I have applied at CAL but lost all interest when they began hiring and I became aware of the pathetic pay and no medical. I have 2 kids that I have to support and provide healthcare for and taking a paycut from a regional and paying $1500.00 a month plus co-pays and deductibles for COBRA was not going to cut it Besides I personally found that CAL's pay and no regard for a new-hires family downright insulting. I never got shot down because I never interviewed and have no interest in doing so.

JB has been good to me but granted there is room for improvement like anywhere else. JB is a major and as long as JB is around I will be here and proud of it. At least I took a pay raise to come to JB instead from a cut at CAL and that was from the RIGHT seat at PSA.

What makes it even more of a slap in the face is that John Prater, the president of ALPA and a CAL Captain, is aware of it. God help us all!

As for the smoking behind the hangar yes, I have smoked there but not always. I only became aware of that spot the last few months I was there.

 

[Scrapdog]

Not entirely accurate. I admit I have applied at CAL but lost all interest when they began hiring and I became aware of the pathetic pay and no medical. I have 2 kids that I have to support and provide healthcare for and taking a paycut from a regional and paying $1500.00 a month plus co-pays and deductibles for COBRA was not going to cut it Besides I personally found that CAL's pay and no regard for a new-hires family downright insulting. I never got shot down because I never interviewed and have no interest in doing so.

JB has been good to me but granted there is room for improvement like anywhere else. JB is a major and as long as JB is around I will be here and proud of it. At least I took a pay raise to come to JB instead from a cut at CAL and that was from the RIGHT seat at PSA.

As for the smoking behind the hangar yes, I have smoked there but not always. I only became aware of that spot the last few months I was there.

Alright...after reading your multiple CAL bashing posts, I'll take a stab. First of all, you're an idiot. We get it clown - you're not a fan of CAL's 1st year pay nor it's lack of medical for the first 6 months. Great - don't come here...we don't want you working here either. And guess what? No one is. So your running toilet of a mouth is noted, but it's been noted by many folks, many times in the past. What your posts bring to the table is absolutely nothing new nor nothing worthy of intelligence. Second, your view is so myopic it's on the verge of being retarded. Does 1st year pay suck at CAL? You betcha. Does the 1st 6 mo's without insurance suck? You betcha. Did I or 99.9% of the applicants apply to work there one year? Of course not. Look at the big picture. Your vantage point seems to be one of a 3 year old (maybe one or your two kids - which you posted above, but no one cares). I, like most semi-intelligent people, plan on making CAL a career. And as a career, it's not too shabby. Room for improvement? Heck ya...new contract that we're excited about in '08...heck ya as well.

Take your JB and enjoy. (Note I'm not sh*tting on them continuously as you do with CAL). However, I'll be more than surprised if they're around the next 5 years.

Oh, and a 190 captain huh? Wow, now you really got us all impressed. GMAFB. uke:

 

[B190Captain]

Alright...after reading your multiple CAL bashing posts, I'll take a stab. First of all, you're an idiot. We get it clown - you're not a fan of CAL's 1st year pay nor it's lack of medical for the first 6 months. Great - don't come here...we don't want you working here either. And guess what? No one is. So your running toilet of a mouth is noted, but it's been noted by many folks, many times in the past. What your posts bring to the table is absolutely nothing new nor nothing worthy of intelligence. Second, your view is so myopic it's on the verge of being retarded. Does 1st year pay suck at CAL? You betcha. Does the 1st 6 mo's without insurance suck? You betcha. Did I or 99.9% of the applicants apply to work there one year? Of course not. Look at the big picture. Your vantage point seems to be one of a 3 year old (maybe one or your two kids - which you posted above, but no one cares). I, like most semi-intelligent people, plan on making CAL a career. And as a career, it's not too shabby. Room for improvement? Heck ya...new contract that we're excited about in '08...heck ya as well.

Take your JB and enjoy. (Note I'm not sh*tting on them continuously as you do with CAL). However, I'll be more than surprised if they're around the next 5 years.

Oh, and a 190 captain huh? Wow, now you really got us all impressed. GMAFB. uke:

I am truly surprised of your comments and adolescent insults. Especially coming from someone of your accomplishments and experience or lack of. Unlike you I respect ones accomplishments. You are just an ignorant probie rookie in this business.

You got a problem with B190 Captains? You look down on them because you fly fighters in the military? I was a 1900 Captain yes, at one point in my career and I am not the only one. I am sure quite a few of your comrades has flown it as well. You feel the same about them?

 

[Scrapdog]

I am truly surprised of your comments and adolescent insults. Especially coming from someone of your accomplishments and experience. Truly sad.
You got a problem with B190 Captains? You look down on them because you flew fighters in the military? I was a 1900 Captain yes, at one point in my career and I am not the only one. I am sure quite a few of your comrades has flown it as well. You feel the same about them?

Please - don't turn the tables here. You have continously crapped on CAL for no apparent reason other than being a jerk. Now that is not truley sad, it's downright pathetic.

I have no problem with B190 captains. I do have a problem with B190 captains that are complete a$$holes such as yourself. And yes, I flew (and currently fly) fighters in the military and that has absolutely nothing to do with your piss poor attitude nor your garbage comments towards CAL.

Not one of my comrades has flown the 1900, I can assure you. However...if they had, I wouldn't care in the least...as long as they were good folks. Jerks such as yourself - yeah, then I'd care.

 

[B190Captain]

Please - don't turn the tables here. You have continously crapped on CAL for no apparent reason other than being a jerk. Now that is not truley sad, it's downright pathetic.

I have no problem with B190 captains. I do have a problem with B190 captains that are complete a$$holes such as yourself. And yes, I flew (and currently fly) fighters in the military and that has absolutely nothing to do with your piss poor attitude nor your garbage comments towards CAL.

Not one of my comrades has flown the 1900, I can assure you. However...if they had, I wouldn't care in the least...as long as they were good folks. Jerks such as yourself - yeah, then I'd care.

None of your comrades at CAL flew the 1900? You are dead wrong. Another sign of ignorance.

I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT IS NOT TRUE. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? I can't express my opinion based on facts because you don't like them?

Do I need to repeat your GMAFB comment? Seems to me you look down at me because I was a 1900 Captain.

You are ignorant and a novice in this industry. So go fly your CAL jet for your measly 30.00 bucks and no medical. Oh wait, my taxes pay for your medical so you really don't need it as much as I do.

 

[Scrapdog]

None of your comrades at CAL flew the 1900? You are dead wrong. Another sign of ignorance.

I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING THAT IS NOT TRUE. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? I can't express my opinion based on facts because you don't like them?

Do I need to repeat your GMAFB comment? Seems to me you look down at me because I was a 1900 Captain. It also seems to me that the one that is less mature than my 4 year old is a Raptor Pilot.

I'm not saying no one at CAL has not flown the 1900. There are 4800 pilots dude. None of my personal friends has - military or civilian. Repeat what you'd like. I'll gladly repeat your comments as well...and your perception is one of a true jerkoff.

I only look down on you because you were 1900 Captain and therefore supposed to be some sort of a leader (in your captain status). Your attitude and actions are far from it.

I'll say something that is true as well. CAL's last quarter profit was $241 million. B6's was $28 million. Does it really matter though? No. Nor do I give a sh*t. Say what you'd like, just don't be an a$$hole doing it. Folks tend to like you better.

 

[Scrapdog]

You are ignorant and a novice in this industry. So go fly your CAL jet for your measly 30.00 bucks and no medical. Oh wait, my taxes pay for your medical so you really don't need it as much as I did.

Yeah, and it also pays for your freedom as well. Very cheap shot and very petty. Next time I'm deployed and you're flying B6 back to see your family during the holidays I'll ensure I remember your fine words.

 

[LJDRVR]

This flame bait makes me laugh.

Don't like CAL or think working here is beneath you? Good! Don't apply.

After all, you folks are correct! Working here is terrible. Flying Boeing products is no fun at all. The working conditions are horrible, going to more cities on the planet than any other airline is just no fun. Our training is horrible, they made me draw the systems on my oral and I constantly felt as if my job was at jeopardy if I made the smallest mistake. I'm stuck at this horrible thirty dollars an hour pay for the rest of my life, Newark upgrade on the 73 is running 15-20 years and our contract is not amenable till 2050. There's the constant stres and uncertainty of our poor financial performance too. I'm just hoping someday we can turn a profit again and exit bankruptcy.

OK, sarcastic rant over, just one thing directed to Pocono Pilot with all my love, against my better judgement:

Enjoy your peperoni and crackers snack on your way to Beumont!

 

[B190Captain]

I'm not saying no one at CAL has not flown the 1900. There are 4800 pilots dude. None of my personal friends has - military or civilian. Repeat what you'd like. I'll gladly repeat your comments as well...and your perception is one of a true jerkoff.

I only look down on you because you were 1900 Captain and therefore supposed to be some sort of a leader (in your captain status). Your attitude and actions are far from it.

I'll say something that is true as well. CAL's last quarter profit was $241 million. B6's was $28 million. Does it really matter though? No. Nor do I give a sh*t. Say what you'd like, just don't be an a$$hole doing it. Folks tend to like you better.

If you really didn't care about the profit why did you even mention it? (GOOD FOR CAL AND LETS HOPE THE PEOPLE WHO DESERVE A REWARD FOR THOSE PROFITS GET PAID FOR THEIR PRIOR SACRIFICES.) You just mentioned it because it makes your company look better than my company?

Well quite a few bucks from that BIG profit CAL had made was subsidized by your own peers making benefit and pay concessions since deregulation and 9/11 and even yourself.

But of course you were not aware of this since you are a rookie to this industry.

Well I mentioned before that my taxes pay for your medical so you didnt need it anyway. Not all of us have that benefit. You as a military officer deserve it, don't get me wrong.

I have quite a few friends at CAL (That were 1900 Captains that you don't think so highly of) I even flew their colors for years. Nothing personal to them nor you. You are the one making it personal.

The more you type the more clueless you reveal yourself to be so let's stop this. Maybe one day we can laugh about it over a beer.

Live long and prosper.