FAA to JAA?

[Jedi_Cheese]

I have a US CPL/CFII and whatnot. I have a student that will be bringing in his Swedish registered Cessna 340 and is interested in me flying it when he brings it to the US

I assume I need to get a JAA license. Does anyone know where I can look up the Swedish Regulations? What sort of issues will I run into trying to get some time in it?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

All I know is switching from FAA-JAA is a nightmare. Something like 14 LONG written tests+.

Switching from FAA-Canada and back is easy.

Good luck!

cliff
ABQ

 

[sqwkvfr]

You'll need a JAA CPL to fly a Swedish registered AC in US airspace?

Anywho...it's really not that tough....after sitting the 14 various exams (these can be done through distance learning) you would need to demonstrate that you have the hours required and take the JAA CPL skills test in a multi-engine aircraft.

The CPL skills test is a joke.

The tough part would then be the IR....the UK's Civil Aviation Authority will not allow the IR test to be conducted outside of the UK....I understand that other JAA contract states allow this, just not the UK. The IR test is pretty demanding.

The problem that one would have is cost.....JAA schools are pretty expensive. The one I work for charges $160,000 for ab-initio to a frozen ATPL.

 

[Wiggums]

Forget converting to JAA, it's a nightmare. What you need to do it to get the Swedish CAA to validate your certificate for aircraft on their registry. I know for Norway it would be easy, so I hope that Sweden would be similar.

 

[skyward80]

Are you sure you need to make the switch? I'm not sure it's a legal requirement for you to have a JAR license to do this. As a CFI, you're pretty much an independent contractor (even if it's with a company), your paychecks are still coming from a US company, right?

I could be wrong on that part, and PLEASE correct me if I am. It would be interesting to see what the final answer is with reg quotes, etc.

If you do decide to convert, you have to make sure it's worth the time and effort. Either this student has to be paying you a s*** load of money or he's going to need to compensate you for your money, time, and effort involved in conversion.

Until the FAA and JAA finally decide to harmonize fully on licenses, this will be a long and painful process.

Good luck!
Skyward80

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

I don't know what the pay is (probibly not a ton, but for a low time pilot [me], C340 time would be gold). It's more of a insurance cost in US for N number aircraft vs Swedish registered aircraft issues (how to do MX and whatnot). The guy has 200 hours in the airplane, so I would be more of a babysitter for US regulations and potentially a ferry pilot.

I really don't even know if I need to convert my licenses for this (hopefully not). I have no intention of flying in Europe so paying $100k for the JAA conversion doesn't appeal to me.

 

[stupidpilot]

You are in the Us. You don't need a JAA license to fly his aircraft i n US airspace.

 

[pipi]

You are in the Us.  You don't need a JAA license to fly his aircraft i n US airspace.[/QUOTE]



Not true. The kind of license that you are required to hold has nothing to do with the country or airspace you fly in. It has to do with the country in which aircraft is registered. I can fly a N-registered airplane in Europe with an FAA license all day long. I cannot fly an airplane registered in a JAA country (like the UK, France, or Spain) in the US without a JAA license.

 

[Onlyflyfreight]

How friendly are you with your local FSDO?

If you want to be sure ask them! Be prepared to get some answers you don't like. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself how valuable is "a few hours" in a Swedish registerd twin. If you end up not getting the right information about the legality of you acting as CFI (Ultimately the PIC for that/those flight/s) for this guy and it some how gets "out", you may be in a world of hurt. Like always in this profession: protect yourself!

Just my two cents!

 

[NEDude]

Not true. The kind of license that you are required to hold has nothing to do with the country or airspace you fly in. It has to do with the country in which aircraft is registered. I can fly a N-registered airplane in Europe with an FAA license all day long. I cannot fly an airplane registered in a JAA country (like the UK, France, or Spain) in the US without a JAA license.

How do US airlines that lease foreign registered aircraft get around that? I know Allegheney had a bunch of foreign registered Dash 8s at one point. And USA 3000 regularly leases UK registered A320s that are flown by U.S. pilots.

 

[80/20]

Sounds like this could be classified as private flying. In that case you might be able to apply for a validation. CAA of Sweden might give you a license (validation) based on FAA Certificate allowing you to fly Swedish registered planes, normally restricted to one year. This used to be straightforward and I know FAA pilots who did this (long time ago). Suggest you e-mail them and ask about it. The key word is validation and that this will be private flying. Could allow corporate flying without an Air Operators Certificate? (Same as FAR 91) http://www.luftfartsstyrelsen.se/templates/LS_InfoSida_70_30____38148.aspx

 

[Jet41]

You are in the Us. You don't need a JAA license to fly his aircraft i n US airspace.

You're right

 

[Mr Wu]

You shouldn't have to bear the cost of him wanting cheap instruction. Send him here...

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/import_aircraft/

 

[80/20]

It is possible that you can do this on your FAA certificate - so keep if simple if you can. Can't quite see that the links above clarifies this. There are at least two issues to consider.
1) Does FAA allow it (I think part 61 and 91 permits this)
2) When operating a foreign aircraft within the US does the FAA also require that you comply with the regulations from the foreign country where the aircraft is registered? ...and if so what does the Swedish CAA require?

A quick call to your local FAA office would probably be a good start.

 

[Herkdrv]

Lots of info on FAA to JAA but does anyone know of any schools here in the US that does JAA to FAA? Thanks.

 

[BLing]

How do US airlines that lease foreign registered aircraft get around that? I know Allegheney had a bunch of foreign registered Dash 8s at one point. And USA 3000 regularly leases UK registered A320s that are flown by U.S. pilots.

If those airplanes registration numbers begin with anything other than an N, a validation is required from whatever country the plane is registered in. My certificates are FAA, but I am flying a French registered CRJ in Africa. I currently hold a JAA validation from France but it is only valid for the two CRJs that my company owns or leases whatever they are doing with them... Obtaining a validation through an airline is no big deal (if they are willing to sponsor it). It took me 4 days and I didnt have to do anything.

 

[sqwkvfr]

Lots of info on FAA to JAA but does anyone know of any schools here in the US that does JAA to FAA? Thanks.

All of them that can sponsor a visa. That'd be any 141 program.

It's just like doing it all over again. Pass the instrument, commercial and ATP written and pass the practicals. The hours given in another country's airspace by an authorized instructor in that country count toward the requirements for a US license as do the aeronuatical experience requirements gained in other countries.

You don't have to do the PPL since the US will issue you a PPL that affords you the same privledges as your issuing country based on that license being current and you have a current US flight review.

You can get that at any FSDO. There is usually one guy that specializes in the conversion especially in FSDOs that are located in areas dotted with flight schools. (i.e. PHX, Florida.) That person is a wealth of information on the requirements.

 

[coffeepilot]

naplesaircenter.com

naplesaircenter.com

 

[NZ pilot]

scanavia.com

Lots of info on FAA to JAA but does anyone know of any schools here in the US that does JAA to FAA? Thanks.

http://www.scanavia.com/

 

[psmd0311]

you need a jaa multi ppl. You dont need to do 14 written exams. thats for a Fronzen ATPL.

You have a FAA cert, so you have to do 2 easy written tests. and a radio exam. couple hours flight training and a flight test. thats all.

you can do the multi at naples. in florida. or flyaaa.com in san diego.

there is no way getting around not having a jaa cert and flying it in the US.