FAA to JAA?

[Jedi_Cheese]

I have a US CPL/CFII and whatnot. I have a student that will be bringing in his Swedish registered Cessna 340 and is interested in me flying it when he brings it to the US

I assume I need to get a JAA license. Does anyone know where I can look up the Swedish Regulations? What sort of issues will I run into trying to get some time in it?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

All I know is switching from FAA-JAA is a nightmare. Something like 14 LONG written tests+.

Switching from FAA-Canada and back is easy.

Good luck!

cliff
ABQ

 

[sqwkvfr]

You'll need a JAA CPL to fly a Swedish registered AC in US airspace?

Anywho...it's really not that tough....after sitting the 14 various exams (these can be done through distance learning) you would need to demonstrate that you have the hours required and take the JAA CPL skills test in a multi-engine aircraft.

The CPL skills test is a joke.

The tough part would then be the IR....the UK's Civil Aviation Authority will not allow the IR test to be conducted outside of the UK....I understand that other JAA contract states allow this, just not the UK. The IR test is pretty demanding.

The problem that one would have is cost.....JAA schools are pretty expensive. The one I work for charges $160,000 for ab-initio to a frozen ATPL.

 

[Wiggums]

Forget converting to JAA, it's a nightmare. What you need to do it to get the Swedish CAA to validate your certificate for aircraft on their registry. I know for Norway it would be easy, so I hope that Sweden would be similar.

 

[skyward80]

Are you sure you need to make the switch? I'm not sure it's a legal requirement for you to have a JAR license to do this. As a CFI, you're pretty much an independent contractor (even if it's with a company), your paychecks are still coming from a US company, right?

I could be wrong on that part, and PLEASE correct me if I am. It would be interesting to see what the final answer is with reg quotes, etc.

If you do decide to convert, you have to make sure it's worth the time and effort. Either this student has to be paying you a s*** load of money or he's going to need to compensate you for your money, time, and effort involved in conversion.

Until the FAA and JAA finally decide to harmonize fully on licenses, this will be a long and painful process.

Good luck!
Skyward80

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

I don't know what the pay is (probibly not a ton, but for a low time pilot [me], C340 time would be gold). It's more of a insurance cost in US for N number aircraft vs Swedish registered aircraft issues (how to do MX and whatnot). The guy has 200 hours in the airplane, so I would be more of a babysitter for US regulations and potentially a ferry pilot.

I really don't even know if I need to convert my licenses for this (hopefully not). I have no intention of flying in Europe so paying $100k for the JAA conversion doesn't appeal to me.

 

[stupidpilot]

You are in the Us. You don't need a JAA license to fly his aircraft i n US airspace.

 

[pipi]

You are in the Us.  You don't need a JAA license to fly his aircraft i n US airspace.[/QUOTE]



Not true. The kind of license that you are required to hold has nothing to do with the country or airspace you fly in. It has to do with the country in which aircraft is registered. I can fly a N-registered airplane in Europe with an FAA license all day long. I cannot fly an airplane registered in a JAA country (like the UK, France, or Spain) in the US without a JAA license.

 

[Onlyflyfreight]

How friendly are you with your local FSDO?

If you want to be sure ask them! Be prepared to get some answers you don't like. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself how valuable is "a few hours" in a Swedish registerd twin. If you end up not getting the right information about the legality of you acting as CFI (Ultimately the PIC for that/those flight/s) for this guy and it some how gets "out", you may be in a world of hurt. Like always in this profession: protect yourself!

Just my two cents!

 

[NEDude]

Not true. The kind of license that you are required to hold has nothing to do with the country or airspace you fly in. It has to do with the country in which aircraft is registered. I can fly a N-registered airplane in Europe with an FAA license all day long. I cannot fly an airplane registered in a JAA country (like the UK, France, or Spain) in the US without a JAA license.

How do US airlines that lease foreign registered aircraft get around that? I know Allegheney had a bunch of foreign registered Dash 8s at one point. And USA 3000 regularly leases UK registered A320s that are flown by U.S. pilots.