SkyWest - USA Today

[Mickey]

All ALPA wants is your money. They will NOT do anything to help you. Look at how well the other Airline Pilots they represent are doing. Most SkyWest pilots would have to take some serious pay cuts to go to any so called Major Airlines that ALPA represents. It would take 5-10 years for a SkyWest pilot to break even if they went to any other ALPA airline.

PS. Look how they screwed up with Trans States vs. GoJets. They refused to spend money to fight for Trans States Pilots. Period!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

All ALPA wants is your money. They will NOT do anything to help you. Look at how well the other Airline Pilots they represent are doing. Most SkyWest pilots would have to take some serious pay cuts to go to any so called Major Airlines that ALPA represents. It would take 5-10 years for a SkyWest pilot to break even if they went to any other ALPA airline.

PS. Look how they screwed up with Trans States vs. GoJets. They refused to spend money to fight for Trans States Pilots. Period!

Thanx for the warning...I gotta call Fedex first thing in the morning and cancel my class date(don't want to wait 10 years to break even)!

 

[XPOO]

Aren't both United and US Airways looking to vote ALPA out? Oh but I'm sure they have no problem sponsoring that letter to the SkyWest pilots though.

 

[WSurf]

I agree that ALPA is not the best union for the regionals! The fact that it is a politcal machine means back stabbing, lying, cheating etc. and thats what I dont like.

However the better stuff of ALPA.... Contracts, Medical Protecion, Training..... Is nice to have and worth the money.

1 million dollars of life insurance for 400.00 month..
Lose of License Bennies.. cheap.. and nice

I have had my riff with ALPA being a PDT pilot, but overall I would say vote it in..
I'd woundn't not wanna have it.

Good Luck

 

[BoilerUP]

I have had my riff with ALPA being a PDT pilot

No flame, honest question that is pertinent to this discussion:

As a PDT pilot, what is your "riff" with ALPA? Is it more with National, or AAA?

 

[BoilerUP]

Aren't both United and US Airways looking to vote ALPA out?

Some US Airways pilots are pissed that ALPA National didn't acquiesce to East demands by "forcing" a seniority integration with AWA that was more fair to them...after it being decided by a NEUTRAL ARBITRATOR after East union leadership wouldn't compromise on DOH.

For ALPA National to have done that would have not only been in violation of ALPA bylaws, it would have set them up for *huge* liability in a DFR lawsuit that surely would have been filed by West pilots.

To use the East/USAPA situation as an example of ALPA's failures is a weak stretch at very best.

 

[XPOO]

I asked a yes or no question. I didn't ask why. But thanks for your opinion on the matter.

 

[BoilerUP]

I asked a yes or no question. I didn't ask why. But thanks for your opinion on the matter.

Knowing "why" is far more important than "yes" or "no"...

And you're welcome.

 

[XPOO]

So, care to explain United reasoning then? Or is it just beneficial to know why US Airways is doing so? I guess you're only a half the story kind of guy then.

 

[BoilerUP]

So, care to explain United reasoning then? Or is it just beneficial to know why US Airways is doing so? I guess you're only a half the story kind of guy then.

I don't know anything about United's situation and therefore it wouldn't be proper for me to comment on things I am unaware of. I *do* know what's going on at Airways though, considering I fly that system, talk to their pilots, and even listened to one of their union leaders talk in DCA a few weeks back.

In the spirit of full disclosure and spirited yet civil discourse, there is also a faction at American Eagle that wants to get rid of ALPA too; you can find their info at http://www.aepa.org/

Why don't you as a dispatcher like ALPA again?

 

[Scapegoat]

The nice part about this drive is that in about 5 weeks all the talk about unions and skywest can finally stop one way or the other. It amazes me how much time people spend trying to convince others what is right for THEM and the industry, (and then threaten them with open ended questions about how it will effect a future position with other airlines).

I have an answer, it wont effect it at all. Remember who does the hiring at these jobs. Its not unionized line pilots thats for sure. Or maybe you will have to show your APLA card just to get into the interview.

 

[siucavflight]

So, care to explain United reasoning then? Or is it just beneficial to know why US Airways is doing so? I guess you're only a half the story kind of guy then.

Are you sure your a lowly dispatcher? From your post I am almost sure you fly for SKW.

A very small fraction of United pilots wants to form their own union, like American did with APA. This is not a bad idea, at least they will be represented, it is all about representation, does not matter how you get it. SKW is not able to have their own union because they would not be able to fund it on their own, they need on organization with deep pockets.

 

[XPOO]

I don't care about ALPA one way or the other. But unions are businesses, plain and simple. They need money. When they see a pilot group as large as SkyWest all they see is dollar signs. SkyWest is also a business. I don't see how you can seperate the two. Both are out to make money. You say SkyWest wants to throw it's pilots under the bus to make a buck. Well who is to say ALPA wont do the same? They are BOTH businesses. ALPA uses your money to put ads in newspapers, makes keychains, lanyards, pamphlets, hot dogs, burgers and sodas for non-union members....and you don't see that a inappropriate use of company funds? Shouldn't the money you pay to the union go to things other than supplying food and accessories to non-union members?

 

[SkyNation]

They want Skywest pilots to join so they can have legal representation that is good for them, not good for the company.

do you believe that this letter, the $ to pay for it, and all the people behind it are acting purely altruistically? just out of good ol' fashioned concern for us SkyWest pilots?

 

[BoilerUP]

You say SkyWest wants to throw it's pilots under the bus to make a buck.

I have never said Skywest "wants to throw its pilots under the bus to make a buck". What I have said that Skywest pilots rely on management benevolence to get pay and work rule improvements, and that is a statement of fact.

Now don't get me wrong, SKW currently pays better and has work rules superior to many ALPA regionals...but some represented carriers have better and there are many that have said Skywest has back-slided on COLA and workrules in the last couple years. Don't Skywest pilots deserve the ability to get more $$$ given their company's growth and financial success, especially the hard-working Bro pilots that got stiffed a couple years ago?

Well who is to say ALPA wont do the same? They are BOTH businesses.

They are both businesses in the sense that they have revenue and liability streams...but one has a duty and obligation to shareholders and one has a duty and obligation to the people they represent. Failure to do by the union so can lead to Denial of Fair Representation lawsuits, which if a judge decides are with merit can be EXTREMELY costly to the union.

ALPA uses your money to put ads in newspapers, makes keychains, lanyards, pamphlets, hot dogs, burgers and sodas for non-union members....and you don't see that a inappropriate use of company funds?

No, I do not.

Shouldn't the money you pay to the union go to things other than supplying food and accessories to non-union members?

I personally believe Skywest pilots have much to gain from ALPA representation with upside far outweighing downside, though some would disagree with that. I also know that all small-jet pilots stand to gain from Skywest pilots participating in pattern bargaining which they benefit from but do not contribute to at this time.

This has absolutely nothing to do with wishing financial harm on Skywest or its employees, and everything to do with standing together to fight for what we as pilots rightfully deserve for our hard work and sacrifices. With unity, everyone in this profession stands to gain compensation and work rule improvements and as such, I think the USA Today ad and other recruitment expenses are a very good use of dues.

 

[XPOO]

I wasn't directing any of my comments directly at you, I was simply addressing the whole forum. But...those shareholders that SkyWest is looking out for also happens to be the very pilots you are talking about as well as every employee in the ESPP plan. Those margins translate over to our bonuses. Sure, if you want $20 more a month now and will forgo $300 per bonus check to do so, management will hop all over that. Why would they want to pay you $300 every three months when they can just pay you $60 in three monthly installments? Your logic is flawed. And my math is overexagerated to drive home a point, I in no way intend that number to be realistic so don't come back bashing the numbers.

 

[USCtrojan]

do you believe that this letter, the $ to pay for it, and all the people behind it are acting purely altruistically? just out of good ol' fashioned concern for us SkyWest pilots?

Do you think your mgmt. acts completely altruistically for the BENEFIT of YOU, or do you think they use YOU to put MORE $$ in their own pockets? Skywhore (that's all you care about, more growth at the expense of others fight), your arguments are more and more annoying. Jerry does NOT represent YOU. And I find it comical you thinks he cares about you.

Trojan

 

[SkyNation]

USCdickbag

thanks for another well-thought out and intelligent response. you're a class act

 

[John Pennekamp]

All ALPA wants is your money. They will NOT do anything to help you. Look at how well the other Airline Pilots they represent are doing. Most SkyWest pilots would have to take some serious pay cuts to go to any so called Major Airlines that ALPA represents. It would take 5-10 years for a SkyWest pilot to break even if they went to any other ALPA airline.

PS. Look how they screwed up with Trans States vs. GoJets. They refused to spend money to fight for Trans States Pilots. Period!

Weak argument.


As has been pointed out about a hundred times now, ALPA gives more money to the regionals than it receives in revenue. Always has been that way. Taking on Skywest would be a financial burden. The reason ALPA wants SkyWest is the power in unity. As long as there's a "GDI" out there undercutting everyone at the regional level, we'll have a hard time bettering the deals for everyone else.

If y'all want to be the next MESA, go ahead and shoot the union down. If you're ready to step up to to plate, put down the kool-aid, pull your head out of the sand, and vote in the union. Right now, you're the odd man out. Y'all are too big an airline for that now. Get with the program or be left behind!

Oh, and the hiring question. Why would a recruiter want to hire a Skywest pilot if the union drive fails? The answer is that the HR/management people would love SkyWest pilots. They know they have a management lover. The problem is that most hiring boards are run by pilots. Usually the pilots on the board outnumber the HR people. I wouldn't be surprised if the pilots get sick of the pro-management attitude over there and start telling the SkyWest pilots no if this drive fails.

I think this letter was meant to be a bit of a wake up call to SkyWest pilots that airline pilots around the country have taken notice and that you aren't going to get a free ride anymore.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think it's definitely worth noting to the Skywest pilots that this wasn't just a letter from ALPA. This letter was signed by the Presidents of the independent unions at UPS, American, and Southwest also. For those that claim that this drive is only about ALPA getting more dues money, this proves you wrong. The IPA, APA, and SWAPA have absolutely no money to gain from Skywest joining ALPA. Their signatures should show you that this is about doing what is right for your careers and your profession. This is not about money. This is about standing up for yourselves and contributing to the advancement of your profession.

Do the right thing. Vote YES!

www.skywestalpa.org

My first thought was this must be the first time ALPA and all of the independent unions got together and agreed on anything!

My second thought was where's FPA and NPA?