SkyWest - USA Today

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This is about unity.

You either want to be a member of a greater group trying to promote your profession, or you don't.

Those of you who have known "Fins" on this board know that I have been very critical of ALPA's errors. If there was a good reason for a SkyWest pilot to not want ALPA representation, I would make that arguement. No such arguement exists.

SkyWest pilots have a chance to join the greater good for their profession that I think far surpasses individual reasons for wanting to "save" a insignificant amount of dues money.

If SAPA was interested in serving the SkyWest pilots they would have provided leadership on this issue. Specifically the SkyWest pilots could benefit by forcing ALPA to make certain promises (as FedEx did when they joined ALPA).

Fact is, ALPA is a force in this business. Being a member of the club helps. It really helps if the forecasts for RJ flying decreasing are correct. It is hoped that ALPA has learned lessons from the disabling arrogance it has shown in the past and becomes a more inclusive union.

If that is the case, a SkyWest pilot group does not want to have excluded themselves from negotiations where an inclusive union is negotiating to protect its' members' interests.

The dues are cheap admission to the club and a bargain for what you get.

 

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My point there was ALPA is suppose to be a union!! Where the hell was the unity then!!

Remember........ ALPA is a political machine!!!

You make an excellent point.

Going forward, ALPA will benefit by more political power being evenly distributed and SkyWest's vote can help balance things out.

 

[XPOO]

How do you know what pilots want XPOO, the only contact you ever have with them are when they call and tell you to put more fuel on.

You guys are hilarious. Sorry, never went to flight school, never wanted to be a pilot. High school aptitude tests showed that I lacked the required god-complex and self-righteousness in order to sit behind a mic and metal stick all day with another person in a cramped space bitching about no APU or an autopilot deferred, while also having to beg my dispatcher for another 5 minutes of fuel on my way to LAN where the weather is P6SM SKC. Also, my back would never be able to put up with a different hotel bed every night. I'm also pretty sure my skin couldn't withstand the amount of radiation a pilot gets subjected to flying around all day. Let alone, I'm definately sure my heart couldn't withstand the amount of stress envolved in worrying about the next management carrot hanging over my head as if the amount of money the company pays me is the lone deciding factor on if the airline is going to turn a profit or not. I've just never been able to put myself ahead of anyone else they way you guys can. That's why I dispatch, this way I can help 20-30 of you pilots out at the same time. This way I can get you to your overnight on time, so you'll have more time to hit on that hot flight attendant while your away from teh wifey on a 4-day. You'll be well-rested and ready to go the next day. I'd much rather just sit back and be the Teller to your Penn. I'll be the guy that sets you up to look good day in and day out, so you can go to management and thump your chest and tell them how valuable YOU are to the company and how much more money YOU need to make. We in dispatch support the pilots, its good to see you guy could care less about us. I can do my job without you, its you who can't do your job without me.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

That must make you part of the "vocal minority group of selfish, self serving clowns who want" ALPA, then right? Because there's no way ALPA would ever be the minority. I mean SkyWest has never had a minority of the pilots vote for them. NEVER, right?

You finally are right, I have been one of those for more than one union drive. I just happened to see the writing on the wall before some of the others. As far as being greedy, you bet! Who wouldn't want more money, better days off and a set of work rules that remains intact between contracts. In fact if we unionize I will be the first to vote to take more money from the company and would prefer to take it from you personally. If that causes you to not be able to attend the next NAMBLA conference, so be it. I guess if you save real hard, really hard you can go to the airport and learn to fly, instead of the MS flight sim on your PC. But guess what, you don't fly and most likely couldn't. Now quit being a wanna be and start planning for your next trip to hang with the NAMBLA fellas.
PBR

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

What an goof.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I'm also pretty sure my skin couldn't withstand the amount of radiation a pilot gets subjected to flying around all day.

LOL,
From a "guy" who lives down wind from the largest US nuclear above ground testing area. Howz that extra arm in the center of you back working out? Bet it doesn't help with the keyboard, but I bet it is pure magic for scratching your a$$ crack though!
PBR

 

[XPOO]

Haha, I used the NAMBLA thing on you yesterday and now you wanna come to the thread and throw it out there like you thought it up to begin with? Why are you Pile-Its so unoriginal?

 

[siucavflight]

You got to be kidding me, I could not do my job without you? I flew 91 for a long time, you know who did the dispatching then, me, you see I can do both of our jobs, you can only do one of them.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

How many days is a dispatchers training?
How many thousands of hours of flight time does one have prior to application?
If you follow the company line, they in fact say, employees should try and advance to a job of greater pay within the company.
There are a few rampers, to FAs, to FOs to Capts in our business. I gather to guess, there are probably even a few Dispatchers to FO to Capts.
Your insults show lack of class.
Your posts show lack of education.

 

[XPOO]

LOL,
From a "guy" who lives down wind from the largest US nuclear above ground testing area. Howz that extra arm in the center of you back working out? Bet it doesn't help with the keyboard, but I bet it is pure magic for scratching your a$$ crack though!
PBR

Are you trying to say that I was alive back in the 1940's? Are we talking about phantom radiation that just somehow is still magically floating in the air around here? Let me know how those melanoma treatments go in few years, ok?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You guys are hilarious. I can do my job without you, its you who can't do your job without me.

You are right you can do your job without pilots, it's called working welfare. You are to aviation as teats are to a boar hog. If you wanna see you future in aviation, research careers for flight engineers.
Enjoy that welfare!
PBR

 

[XPOO]

You got to be kidding me, I could not do my job without you? I flew 91 for a long time, you know who did the dispatching then, me, you see I can do both of our jobs, you can only do one of them.

Oh sorry, I thought maybe you moved up the ladder of success to part 121 operations. Let me see you do a 121 flight without a dispatcher name on your release, then we'll talk.

 

[XPOO]

You are right you can do your job without pilots, it's called working welfare. You are to aviation as teats are to a boar hog. If you wanna see you future in aviation, research careers for flight engineers.
Enjoy that welfare!
PBR

Enjoy all those swaps and reduced rests. Courtesy of you know who!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Are you trying to say that I was alive back in the 1940's? Are we talking about phantom radiation that just somehow is still magically floating in the air around here? Let me know how those melanoma treatments go in few years, ok?

Nahhha,
That stuff has a half life of 10 minutes or so, so don't worry about it. Above ground testing, downwind ect.
Plutonium, uranium ect. Melanoma, in a few years I will have enough to retire, hopefully after the union drive I will have even more(off of your paycheck). I am thinking about a house in the Bahamas or a 50-60 ft sailboat.
PBR

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

X-cerpt from X-Poo-in a cramped space bitching about no APU or an autopilot deferred, while also having to beg my dispatcher for another 5 minutes of fuel on my way to LAN where the weather is P6SM SKC. Also, my back would never be able to put up with a different hotel bed every night. I'm also pretty sure my skin couldn't withstand the amount of (radiation) a pilot gets subjected to flying around all day. Let alone, I'm definately sure my heart couldn't withstand the amount of stress envolved in worrying about the next management carrot .

And you still wonder why some folks are trying to make their lives a little better? Try sitting in a full plane on the ramp for an hour with no APU my friend. Listen to the hostility of the pax towards your FA. Your a dispatcher dude and I can respect what you do. You however, seem to be viewing us as a bunch of prima-donnas. Walk a mile in our shoes, as the saying goes..

 

[XPOO]

Can't wait until ALPA steps in and finally, magically fixes all those pesky little APU's and somehow gets the FAA to enact an FAR making an autopilot deferred aircraft a no-go item. Hell, I can't even wait for ALPA to fix all those darn little aircraft swaps and I'll bet with ALPA's help we can eliminate flow programs altogether. And with ALPA's help you can all fill the tanks to the brim with fuel and go where ever you want. Yes an ALPA filled life will be so grand, it'll make you all wanna say golly-gee jeepers that sure it swell.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Go back to cubicle!
PBR

 

[XPOO]

Get back in your right seat!

 

[siucavflight]

Well XPOO for whats its worth, I do have my dispatchers license, not that I have ever used it, so yes technically I could do your job, while you could not do mine.
And why do you think that ALPA has anything to do with APUs, or fuel? It has everything to do with enforcing a contract and protecting your job, thats it, thats what they do. They dont have anything to do with aircraft swaps either, are you really this uninformed?

 

[yellowfever]

Can't wait until ALPA steps in and finally, magically fixes all those pesky little APU's and somehow gets the FAA to enact an FAR making an autopilot deferred aircraft a no-go item. Hell, I can't even wait for ALPA to fix all those darn little aircraft swaps and I'll bet with ALPA's help we can eliminate flow programs altogether. And with ALPA's help you can all fill the tanks to the brim with fuel and go where ever you want. Yes an ALPA filled life will be so grand, it'll make you all wanna say golly-gee jeepers that sure it swell.

I don't ever remember hearing guys on the ALPA Organizing Commitee saying ALPA will fix this stuff. They want a contract so that things don't continue to spiral downward while the company rakes money in hand over fist. Have you ever experienced a regional airline pilots lifestyle?