Proposed List of 100 Netjets Crew Bases

[batsky2000]

Be careful about PTO, I worked for a company that used PTO versus sicktime, and just remember that PTO is a combination of sick and vacation time, so if you had a vacation planned and you get sick sometime prior to your vacation, you may have just blown away your vacation if you used up all of your PTO time due to illness, most people did not like it just for that reason, I still think that sick time and vacation time should be separate, but you can see how PTO time will be a huge advantage for the company

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

At my airline, we have 5 days/year for sick/personal time. We recently combined those two.

Our vacation is separate.

cliff
YIP

 

[bosdrx]

Be careful about PTO, I worked for a company that used PTO versus sicktime, and just remember that PTO is a combination of sick and vacation time, so if you had a vacation planned and you get sick sometime prior to your vacation, you may have just blown away your vacation if you used up all of your PTO time due to illness, most people did not like it just for that reason, I still think that sick time and vacation time should be separate, but you can see how PTO time will be a huge advantage for the company

So the PTO would include sick time AND vacation? Or are they just calling sick days PTO days instead? Would that mean that the current vacation structure would change?

 

[RTRHD]

Are you $%*%ing kidding me. You have lost all credibility. Or maybe I missed something. Tell me I missed something. Did I miss something? Or are you being a *************************?
Selling out already.
I must have missed something.

If not you are not much of a "fyter".

That Single Carrier is just a pipe dream anyway.

 

[RTRHD]

The airlines are getting so screwed up, we are all going to be on a base system anyway.

Don't yall see that???????
Good Luck Though.

 

[batsky2000]

So the PTO would include sick time AND vacation? Or are they just calling sick days PTO days instead? Would that mean that the current vacation structure would change?

Not sure how NetJets sees it, but most operators that I know of that use PTO, consider PTO as sick/personal/vacation time, in other words, you use that time how you see fit. You get paid for those days just like vacation/sick days, the only difference is that now you get a handful of PTO days per year that you can play with and if you blow through them all because you are sick, then no vacation.

As to the guy who only gets 5 sick days per year, you are really getting screwed, what happens when you are sick for more than 5 days? I would bet that you eat your vacation days, so yes PTO would include vacation for you as well

 

[FLYLOW22]

This is the opinion of someone who has been in this business for many years....39 as an airline pilot and 2 at NetJets.

I've seen this happen time after time over the years. There is always a small group that make a lot of noise and tell anyone that will listen that they are going to vote "NO".

But there is a huge silent majority of rational people out there that will look at what is put before them and make their decision on the whole package.....not some pet peave issue that has their panties in a knot.

From what I've seen so far, this will pass by a large margin

Just cause you've flown a bunch of 7-Something-Somehin's over the years doesn't give you any more insight into this vote than I have.

This pilot group knows how to smell out crap. If it's crap, we'll put it out of it's misery.

If it's an "improvment" and "progressive" (as billed already) then it will pass. Period.

This is NOT a typical negotiation (Section 6). It's IBB.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Not sure how NetJets sees it, but most operators that I know of that use PTO, consider PTO as sick/personal/vacation time, in other words, you use that time how you see fit. You get paid for those days just like vacation/sick days, the only difference is that now you get a handful of PTO days per year that you can play with and if you blow through them all because you are sick, then no vacation.

As to the guy who only gets 5 sick days per year, you are really getting screwed, what happens when you are sick for more than 5 days? I would bet that you eat your vacation days, so yes PTO would include vacation for you as well

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There is NOTHING in the propsal about PTO being vacation time. Nothing.

Sick Time
PTO
Vacation.

3 different animals.

Don't worry, you'll like the system when you get it.

 

[RP170]

Are first year guys allowed to vote at NJA or do you have to wait till after your probationary year?

 

[netjetwife]

All union members in good standing get to vote on the contract they will be working under. Any other restrictions are more in the way of pilots that take a management position.

 

[skiandsurf]

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There is NOTHING in the propsal about PTO being vacation time. Nothing.

Sick Time
PTO
Vacation.

3 different animals.

Don't worry, you'll like the system when you get it.

Under the current contract, we get sick time and vacation time. If you are on the reserve system, you can bid for 4 "H days" (days off) per month...or 48 days a year. As I understand it, the PTO days will replace these, but you only get 8 (?) per year. The payrate will be at 75% for the PTO days. So, in a different view, you are now getting paid for those "H days" (days off)....this is sounding better as I type. The problem with PTO days, you have to plan them out in advance, bid for them, and be awarded them, otherwise its going to be a sick call.

Sick days still get paid at 100%.

And vacation will still be 15 day minimum (for a 7 day vacation), on 15 or 18 day sched. 21 days for 7/7 schedule.

 

[gunfyter]

Are you $%*%ing kidding me. You have lost all credibility. Or maybe I missed something. Tell me I missed something. Did I miss something? Or are you being a *************************?
Selling out already.
I must have missed something.

If not you are not much of a "fyter".

Did you miss that it was in response to this?

Originally Posted by gutshotdraw ​

Dy'a think somewhere, somebody is giggling their butt off watching the unified pilots of 1108 rip each other up in the middle of a bargaining period? Divide and conquer my friends. Divide and conquer.​

Yes I think someone is laughing his butt off as the union prepares to give away my schedule and HBA rights.

Trading Single Carrier is worse than that?

What kind of "fyter" gives away hard fought for schedules and basing rights.... Basing NJI has ... we should have the same they have.

I made the statement to highlite this point.

 

[Fozzy]

Ya I did miss that. Little blurry eyed last night. Probably figured that by the rant.
Oops.

Lets sweat the details on the 1st.
Later.

 

[172driver]

Under the current contract, we get sick time and vacation time. If you are on the reserve system, you can bid for 4 "H days" (days off) per month...or 48 days a year. As I understand it, the PTO days will replace these, but you only get 8 (?) per year. The payrate will be at 75% for the PTO days. So, in a different view, you are now getting paid for those "H days" (days off)....this is sounding better as I type.

Where do people come up with this stuff? Do you even work at NJA?

We will still get 12 days a year. They can be used for PTO or illness. The difference is that to use them as PTO, you must give the company at least one week notice and the day must be available for PTO -- e.g. not a blackout day and only x amount of pilots in your seat can take PTO on the same day for obvious reasons.

If you give the company the advance notice they desire, they will only charge you .75 days against your bank. You get paid for a full day while only using .75 and they get to preplan for your absence.

 

[RNObased]

From my perspective: Jumping from 5 domiciles to 100 bases is a lot of forward progress. True, the company could open more, but as they haven't it seems we should stop holding out hope that they will. At best all they have to do is match the other fracs if hiring is a problem. I'd like NJ pilots to have 100 choices, not just 20 or so.

I'm all for more scheduling options for our families. For some 7 days is too long to be gone. It seems reasonable that they can work out the bugs enough to get a deal to pass. No one should be surprised the company wants to fix areas of the contract they don't like. The good news is that NJ pilots get to negotiate and then to vote.

The company has to know that the pre-rat crowd won't be thrilled w/100 bases compared to the HBA system, and that many resist change when they're happy with what they have....soooo....that only leaves a pay raise to persuade the no-voters. I think they'll make the deal too tempting to refuse. The company has the money to do that. Management has seen the re$ult$ of having a motivated pilot force. It's illogical to think that they wouldn't want that to continue. So it stands to reason their offer will be designed to ensure that motivation remains high.

I am hopeful that the problems can be addressed at the table; they're certainly putting in long enough hours. Perhaps we're not hearing from the silent majority? Maybe some of you are understandably short on optimism when negotiations take place? I, personally, don't see why they can't work out a deal that will please the majority of the NJ pilots. The 2005 CBA tells me that they should know how to do that.

Best Regards,
Netjetwife

Well NJA wife, your post prettly much hit the nail on the head, with a lot of "the comany" this and the "the company" that.

This thing is great for "the company" not so good for the pilots. Of course we all know pilots will sell their souls for 100.00 so if the "company"
throws a bone like 5K out, people will forget what they are giving up and jump all over it. Then sometime down the road they want to do something that used to have the right to do and they will wonder what the hell happened.