SkyWest Pilots: At least pretend to care

[Jmoney]

Greener Pastures!

A whopping 500 or so pilots have voted so far. This is how the rest of the union drive will go. 25% "Vote ALPA!" 25% "ALPA?! they've done nothing for pilots, vote no!" and the remaining 50% "There is a union drive going on? I didn't know that. Oh well, I'm on my way to greener pastures as soon as I get the call."

Sometimes you get what you wish for.... I'm sure those "greener pastures" which you refer to have nothing to do with any unionized major or fractional. You would never consider going to a better-paying and easier job if it had a union, would you?

I guess it is OK to say "f-ALPA" at the regional level, but once you get to a major, the story changes a little, eh?

OK, maybe you are not a hypocrite-maybe "greener pastures" means some crap-ball check-flying service to you-or maybe it is a crappy corporate job where everyone gets fired every two years. Yeah, unions really suck, don't they?

I sincerely hope you get exactly what you claim to want-can't work with a unionized airline? Guess you can't work for any major, then....

Have a great time flying checks or rubber dog poop around! If unions really bite, then stay the hell away from all the good jobs-maybe I'll get the one you could have had.

-Good luck, Francis!

 

[SkyNation]

I don't think MN was run out, kicked out, or whatever. He was a trojan horse for the ALPA drive, he ran to stir things up. When Alaska called, I think he was already frustrated and embattled, and even if he wasn't he'd have left anyway for his 'dream job.' I wish him and all the others that went there luck.

 

[rickair7777]

Come on people, major airlines don't hire pilots on a few days notice, or a few weeks notice, at the pilot's convenience...

His departure for Alaska was a long-term project, and they happened to call when they did. He used the timing of the job offer to depart in manner that dramatized the situation.

The situation did in fact need to be dramatized.

 

[Bluto]

Sometimes you get what you wish for.... I'm sure those "greener pastures" which you refer to have nothing to do with any unionized major or fractional. You would never consider going to a better-paying and easier job if it had a union, would you?

I guess it is OK to say "f-ALPA" at the regional level, but once you get to a major, the story changes a little, eh?

OK, maybe you are not a hypocrite-maybe "greener pastures" means some crap-ball check-flying service to you-or maybe it is a crappy corporate job where everyone gets fired every two years. Yeah, unions really suck, don't they?

I sincerely hope you get exactly what you claim to want-can't work with a unionized airline? Guess you can't work for any major, then....

Have a great time flying checks or rubber dog poop around! If unions really bite, then stay the hell away from all the good jobs-maybe I'll get the one you could have had.

-Good luck, Francis!

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Re-read the post you are trying to insult. The guy is complaining about people that are trying to move on to greener pastures while ambivalent about the union drive at SkyWest, which if you worked there, you would probably understand.

He never said unions "bite". He didn't even imply it. Ignorant, pro-union posts like your do nothing but drive thinking fence-sitters farther away from union representation.

 

[Gobi Gred]

Jmoney, You misread my post. I was simply quoting what I believe about 50% of the SkyWest pilots think as far as the union drive. I wasn't quoting myself. I'm pro ALPA and have sent in my card. (More than once since this isn't my first drive) Read posts a little more carefully before you go off on someone. Thanks Bluto.

 

[deluxxx]

How many times can JB vote for himself.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Lets hope he can vote only once.

Although the voting records of the individuals running for SUCKA need to be posted internally. We need at least four candidates running for president.

Voting for Alpa even though I want to move on.

 

[No.W.]

he quit, then he left. probably quit the prez job because he was leaving anyway.

WRONG. He quit because he was isolated and politically assasinated. He is fortunate to find work elsewhere and get out of here...

That's firsthand knowledge if you are wondering(as in, sitting across the table from MN after he resigned).

Getting on with another carrier made the decision easier...but those of us who are close the situation know how He was treated. JB and ME should be terminated for the creation of a hostile work environment. Not to mention a complete recall of all the reps who supported the mutinous uncancelled meeting.

 

[Nightrain_080]

YEAH BJ AND ME NEED A NICE BLANKET PARTY.

I have plenty of recall papers I am leaving around to be signed and these trailer trash guys need to be ousted out of SUCKA. It's bad enough that is funded by Uncle Rico and his good ole boy network.

 

[Jmoney]

Hugs!

Jmoney, You misread my post. I was simply quoting what I believe about 50% of the SkyWest pilots think as far as the union drive. I wasn't quoting myself. I'm pro ALPA and have sent in my card. (More than once since this isn't my first drive) Read posts a little more carefully before you go off on someone. Thanks Bluto.

Yep-I did mis-read that one. People who complain about ALPA and then offer no better solution than just to make mgmt stronger (like Joe Merchant) really torque me off!

On my first read, I thought you were in that category, but alas! I was in error......

Sorry to mis-direct my wrath in the wrong direction, I must confess that this is probably because I'm a true bastard and jackass. I do have a bit of a short fuse on this issue-and tend to go off on anyone who reminds me of Joe Merchant.
-Sorry I misread that post and went off like the total bastard I am!


Hugs all around! -GO ALPA

 

[Gnarloooo]

Getting on with another carrier made the decision easier...but those of us who are close the situation know how He was treated.

I noticed you capitalized "He". Are you inferring that MN was actually JC and he sacrificed himself for our sins?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

I am having a hard time getting excited about the current SAPA vote. Even if there was a candidate that would truely represent the pilots, he would probably be run off like MN. In my opinion, the only option is to disband SAPA in its current form and seek a legally binding form of representation. Am I 100% behind the ALPA drive? No. I will vote yes. I don't want to hear about SAPA Anymore. There are some SAPA reps at the lower level that are fighting the good fight but my concerns are at the top. I consider SAPA to be a corrupt organization.

 

[Bluto]

If you choose not to vote, I hope you at least take the time to send an email to the SAPA executive board explaining your reasoning. Otherwise, the absence of a vote will simply be seen as apathy, not idealism.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

It seems like a big turn out on this vote would only validate how the M.N. situation was handled. IMHO, the only votes that will convey how I feel will be a recall and/or ALPA vote. SAPA can take their vote and stick it where the sun don't shine!

 

[CheeseDick]

Good, then you're in touch with reality. For anyone else who is planning on voting for ALPA with those expectations, you may want to reconsider. If, on the other hand, you would have liked a voice when the company forced people to fly 70 lines for which they didn't bid, without regard for seniority, and without following the junior man pay policy already in place, having ALPA on property would have made a difference.

Let me give you a recent, specific example of the kind of thing SkyWest does that would be utterly unacceptable at an ALPA-represented carrier: Newhire CRJ FOs 4-5 months ago were awarded SLC transfers effective in October. Since then, the company has awarded newhires SLC directly out of groundschool forcing pilots senior to them to make a grueling commute to MKE for months. Why? I'm sure it is more convenient to the company. Who does it hurt? Where else does seniority mean so little?

The intent of this thread is not to debate the merits of union representation, merely to encourage people to vote in the upcoming SAPA presidential campaign. If you want to compare what we have to what other airlines have, I think there is definitely room for improvement. Anyway, I'll debate the union issue elsewhere, but for now:

VOTE!!

What about the poor people that i know trying to get to MKE? I know a CA that got awarded it in june for a november 1st start

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

I voted for the same reasons I vote in presidential elections. I even told the candidate I voted for to his face that he had received my vote, but that I still thought SAPA was useless. At least I participated.

BTW putting newman on my ignore list is one of the feel good moves of the summer.

 

[MarineGrunt]

Out of 2700+ pilots, only 813 votes casted to date. Come on guys!!! At least get on the SAPA board and read about these two for a couple of minutes and cast a vote! It's not hard!!!

 

[SSDD]

The reason most people aren't voting is that no matter who wins, SGU will still be in charge. SAPA is a farce, the company implements meaningless concessions, they give the absolute minimun they need to still keep people applying, and SAPA takes credit for it.

 

[Bluto]

SSDD, you may be right. I'm done trying to convince these people. I don't think SAPA is a solution for anything, but those of you who think SAPA needs to 'earn' your vote, you are the reason SAPA is as ineffectual as it is. SAPA is nearly worthless and definitely weak because the pilot group lets it be.

For those of you who hide your apathy and laziness behind principle, well, that's just pathetic. I hope you are canvassing the crew rooms trying to get the recall petitions signed, if that's the case. Strangely, I think it's not. I think the vast majority of people who don't vote for this election are not ardently opposed to SAPA, driven by deep-seated principle not to vote. I think they are, overall, just disinterested in their own future and too lazy to spend 25 seconds in a gesture of solidarity.

 

[Gobi Gred]

What drives me crazy is the people that don't support SAPA but then won't send in their ALPA cards! JMoney, Thanks for the admission of error! You don't see that much these days.