SkyWest Pilots: At least pretend to care

[ArcticFlier]

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You guys quoting HelloNewman are pissing me off. I have him on my ignore list so I don't have to read his crap. You guys quote him and I get one line into his inane writings, and I'm pissed again. Stop it!

 

[SkyNation]

SkyNation,
I'm sorry you feel that way, you have a right to your opinion, though I think you will find that you are in the minority when it comes to SkyWest pilots. As one of the most profitable regional airlines we remain near the bottom compensation-wise for our 70 and 90 seat aircraft. How can you justify that?

In the minority in my opinion or in the minority concerning the ALPA drive? I don't see it on either front, but the ALPA drive is the only where where we can see by the numbers-so when is the vote?

Everyone would like to be paid more, myself included. I make more than my counterparts at other regionals, many of whom are represented by ALPA.

Just to be clear, I want to be paid more. I want better QOL issues resolved for my benefit. I want these things to occur in a way that will not put the company in peril, nor inhibit it from being ultra-competitive in a very difficult market. I don't believe for a second that ALPA will come on board, flex their supposed 'muscles,' and scare BH et al into giving us more. Anyone who thinks that is indulging a fantasy that hasn't played out at Comair, Mesa, ASA, and on and on.

 

[Bluto]

I don't believe for a second that ALPA will come on board, flex their supposed 'muscles,' and scare BH et al into giving us more. Anyone who thinks that is indulging a fantasy that hasn't played out at Comair, Mesa, ASA, and on and on.

Good, then you're in touch with reality. For anyone else who is planning on voting for ALPA with those expectations, you may want to reconsider. If, on the other hand, you would have liked a voice when the company forced people to fly 70 lines for which they didn't bid, without regard for seniority, and without following the junior man pay policy already in place, having ALPA on property would have made a difference.

Let me give you a recent, specific example of the kind of thing SkyWest does that would be utterly unacceptable at an ALPA-represented carrier: Newhire CRJ FOs 4-5 months ago were awarded SLC transfers effective in October. Since then, the company has awarded newhires SLC directly out of groundschool forcing pilots senior to them to make a grueling commute to MKE for months. Why? I'm sure it is more convenient to the company. Who does it hurt? Where else does seniority mean so little?

The intent of this thread is not to debate the merits of union representation, merely to encourage people to vote in the upcoming SAPA presidential campaign. If you want to compare what we have to what other airlines have, I think there is definitely room for improvement. Anyway, I'll debate the union issue elsewhere, but for now:

VOTE!!

 

[SkyNation]

Bluto,

agreed.

 

[pookie]

Wouldnt it be funny if JB wins the election and he gets his panties wet for a few months and then ALPA gets voted in.

Demoting JB back to Brad's biatch role,

 

[Gobi Gred]

A whopping 500 or so pilots have voted so far. This is how the rest of the union drive will go. 25% "Vote ALPA!" 25% "ALPA?! they've done nothing for pilots, vote no!" and the remaining 50% "There is a union drive going on? I didn't know that. Oh well, I'm on my way to greener pastures as soon as I get the call."

 

[PCL_128]

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[Morning Wood]

I won't vote. Last vote I voted MN, not BS and not JB. MN was ousted. I'm not so much pro ALPA as I am anti-Sapa right now.

How was MN ousted? He left the company.

 

[SkyNation]

he quit, then he left. probably quit the prez job because he was leaving anyway.

 

[Bluto]

Uh, well, I guess that's one interpretation. There were some pretty aggressive tactics used by some of the Executive Board members to encourage his departure from his SAPA position. There was a cell-phone text message from one of the EB members to some members of SAPA along those lines. Something like, "Let's get that f****er out of here." Anyone have the specifics? Anyway, it wasn't as simple or amicable as Mark being offered a new job and moving on.

 

[Jmoney]

Greener Pastures!

A whopping 500 or so pilots have voted so far. This is how the rest of the union drive will go. 25% "Vote ALPA!" 25% "ALPA?! they've done nothing for pilots, vote no!" and the remaining 50% "There is a union drive going on? I didn't know that. Oh well, I'm on my way to greener pastures as soon as I get the call."

Sometimes you get what you wish for.... I'm sure those "greener pastures" which you refer to have nothing to do with any unionized major or fractional. You would never consider going to a better-paying and easier job if it had a union, would you?

I guess it is OK to say "f-ALPA" at the regional level, but once you get to a major, the story changes a little, eh?

OK, maybe you are not a hypocrite-maybe "greener pastures" means some crap-ball check-flying service to you-or maybe it is a crappy corporate job where everyone gets fired every two years. Yeah, unions really suck, don't they?

I sincerely hope you get exactly what you claim to want-can't work with a unionized airline? Guess you can't work for any major, then....

Have a great time flying checks or rubber dog poop around! If unions really bite, then stay the hell away from all the good jobs-maybe I'll get the one you could have had.

-Good luck, Francis!

 

[SkyNation]

I don't think MN was run out, kicked out, or whatever. He was a trojan horse for the ALPA drive, he ran to stir things up. When Alaska called, I think he was already frustrated and embattled, and even if he wasn't he'd have left anyway for his 'dream job.' I wish him and all the others that went there luck.

 

[rickair7777]

Come on people, major airlines don't hire pilots on a few days notice, or a few weeks notice, at the pilot's convenience...

His departure for Alaska was a long-term project, and they happened to call when they did. He used the timing of the job offer to depart in manner that dramatized the situation.

The situation did in fact need to be dramatized.

 

[Bluto]

Sometimes you get what you wish for.... I'm sure those "greener pastures" which you refer to have nothing to do with any unionized major or fractional. You would never consider going to a better-paying and easier job if it had a union, would you?

I guess it is OK to say "f-ALPA" at the regional level, but once you get to a major, the story changes a little, eh?

OK, maybe you are not a hypocrite-maybe "greener pastures" means some crap-ball check-flying service to you-or maybe it is a crappy corporate job where everyone gets fired every two years. Yeah, unions really suck, don't they?

I sincerely hope you get exactly what you claim to want-can't work with a unionized airline? Guess you can't work for any major, then....

Have a great time flying checks or rubber dog poop around! If unions really bite, then stay the hell away from all the good jobs-maybe I'll get the one you could have had.

-Good luck, Francis!

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Re-read the post you are trying to insult. The guy is complaining about people that are trying to move on to greener pastures while ambivalent about the union drive at SkyWest, which if you worked there, you would probably understand.

He never said unions "bite". He didn't even imply it. Ignorant, pro-union posts like your do nothing but drive thinking fence-sitters farther away from union representation.

 

[Gobi Gred]

Jmoney, You misread my post. I was simply quoting what I believe about 50% of the SkyWest pilots think as far as the union drive. I wasn't quoting myself. I'm pro ALPA and have sent in my card. (More than once since this isn't my first drive) Read posts a little more carefully before you go off on someone. Thanks Bluto.