Skybus' "rules of the sky"

[ferlo]

The only thing I owe my pax is a safe trip. I don't give a sh*t what their travel "experience" is like. Either does Greyhound. That's what they're willing to pay for, that's what they get...except it's 10 times faster

 

[Golden Falcon]

double-wides at CMH??? Think a Skybus pilot will really be able to afford a double wide??? And I dont think you'll get a good whore for 9bucks an hour either...y'all are giving them way too much credit!!

 

[Publishers]

Many of you have pilot jobs because somewhere along the line, someone started an airline just like this. In fact, in many of the older ones, the equipment were older tired jets and now one is dealing with new A319's and excellent training.
This is the same mentality that says that now I have my jet rating, these little piston guys should get out of the way. Well, most of the people bitching got to where they were through pounding the sky with these old pistons. How many new airlines would ever start if they started at the pay scale that you all would like to have and consider decent.
They have a concept and are giving it a go. If they succeed, more jobs for all of you. If you do not want one, do not apply.

 

[Mr Biggelsworth]

What an absolute joke of an airline. I just threw up in my mouth.

 

[zonker]

How many new airlines would ever start if they started at the pay scale that you all would like to have and consider decent.
They have a concept and are giving it a go. If they succeed, more jobs for all of you. If you do not want one, do not apply.

Don't you think they could have worked in a decent salary for their employees as part of their business plan? Do you really think their CASM would still not be by far the lowest in the industry if they paid say, at or near B6 wages?

If you cannot pay professional people in a service industry a professional wage, you do not deserve to be in business. Period.

 

[HA25]

Many of you have pilot jobs because somewhere along the line, someone started an airline just like this. In fact, in many of the older ones, the equipment were older tired jets and now one is dealing with new A319's and excellent training.
This is the same mentality that says that now I have my jet rating, these little piston guys should get out of the way. Well, most of the people bitching got to where they were through pounding the sky with these old pistons. How many new airlines would ever start if they started at the pay scale that you all would like to have and consider decent.
They have a concept and are giving it a go. If they succeed, more jobs for all of you. If you do not want one, do not apply.

Ladies and Gentleman... here is a good example of a management plant hanging out on FI.com just to bust your balls..

Yeah, pubs.. sure, thanks.. Skybus is doing all of us and this profession a huge favor by creating all of these jobs! Do me a favor though, ask them to stop, cause it's killing us!

 

[LarryinTN]

So far, all we know is their first year pilot's pay. How much is a first year A319 Captain supposed to make?

 

[vixin]

$153 per trip at SWA or about $174 per hour for first year captain. That would be a good place for Skytrash to start.

 

[CoAlpha]

skybus sucks

 

[scoreboard]

Saw Skybus at, or rather lack skybust at BUR this weekend. Thier checkin kiosk was next to our WN counter, we had 3-5 PEOPLE behind the counter to assist the customer, the Skybust kiosk? Nobody there, except two skybust customers wondering what to do, the jet left without them...

Good luck skybust, as soon as the public gets some of your "service" they won't be back...

 

[AV80R]

SKYBUSS will survive!

Saw Skybus at, or rather lack skybust at BUR this weekend. Thier checkin kiosk was next to our WN counter, we had 3-5 PEOPLE behind the counter to assist the customer, the Skybust kiosk? Nobody there, except two skybust customers wondering what to do, the jet left without them...

Good luck skybust, as soon as the public gets some of your "service" they won't be back...

You're overestimating the traveling public - trust me they'll be back - all they see is low fares. I remember when Ryan Air competed with Easy Jet in Europe and they’re losing tons of money - guess what – Ryan Air is still around and growing like a wild fire! Unfortunately, they'll survive and eventually will be a huge airline.

One day - Southwest will be considered a "legacy" airline – and passengers will complain how expensive it is to travel on SWA - you'll see...

 

[Philerup]

That is the one problem I see with their concept. If someone is late or misses the flight, they are going to want to call someone. Everyone has a cell phone, I doubt people are going to want to go to a computer kiosk and pay to get online and try to find customer service. They need to at least station someone at the kiosk to assist people and leave them there until 20 minutes after the flight leaves. I do all my ticket purchases online and print my boarding passes at home. However if something goes wrong, I want to talk to a real person not send an email and hope for a reply.

 

[LarryinTN]

$153 per trip at SWA or about $174 per hour for first year captain.

So what start-up airline has ever paid those kind of wages out of the gate?

 

[vixin]

Just answered your question. Thats what a 319CA should make 1st year. Simple as that.

 

[scoreboard]

You're overestimating the traveling public - trust me they'll be back - all they see is low fares. I remember when Ryan Air competed with Easy Jet in Europe and they’re losing tons of money - guess what – Ryan Air is still around and growing like a wild fire! Unfortunately, they'll survive and eventually will be a huge airline.

One day - Southwest will be considered a "legacy" airline – and passengers will complain how expensive it is to travel on SWA - you'll see...

No, I'm not overestimating the public, they want service, you get that from people, not machines.

WN IS a legacy airline, we will evolve, watch and learn grasshoper.

 

[LarryinTN]

Just answered your question. Thats what a 319CA should make 1st year. Simple as that.

I guess we won't have many start-up airlines, then...

 

[HA25]

I guess we won't have many start-up airlines, then...

Good!

We need airline capacity and competition like we need a hole in the head!

 

[AV80R]

No, I'm not overestimating the public, they want service, you get that from people, not machines.

WN IS a legacy airline, we will evolve, watch and learn grasshoper.

- The public wants low prices not service (of course they'd prefer both) - that's the whole reason SWA grew as fast as they did. No offense, but I think you'd agree that SWA offers very limited "service." They focus on ontime & cheap flights and that's exactly what the passengers get. No more & no less.

- No, SWA is not a legacy airline - although it is a major airline. The day SWA pilots take their first pay cuts (hopefully it’ll never happen, but…) will be the day SWA becomes a legacy airline!

As far as Skybus' big European sister airline, Ryan Air - they only seem to be getting bigger.

Link

Ryanair orders 27 Boeing jets

By Kevin Done, Aerospace Correspondent
Published: May 31 2007 22:08 | Last updated: May 31 2007 22:08

Ryanair, the Irish low-cost airline, has ordered another 27 Boeing jets, as it seeks to double passenger volumes and profits in the five years to 2012.
The leading European low-cost airline is aiming to overtake Air France-KLM and Germany’s Lufthansa to become the biggest short-haul carrier in Europe around the end of the decade.

Howard Millar, Ryanair chief financial officer, said on Thursday that with the latest batch of aircraft the airline had placed firm orders with Boeing for a total of 308 737-800s of which 137 had already been delivered. The latest order for 27 189-seat Boeing 737-800s is valued at $1.9bn at list prices before big discounts.
Including the planned disposal of older aircraft the Ryanair fleet would grow from 137 to 262 by 2012, said Mr Millar.
In line with the growth of the fleet the Irish carrier was aiming to increase passenger volumes from 42.5m in the year to March 2007 to 52m this year and to 87m in the year to March 2012.
The planned launch of its latest operating base in Bristol in November will bring the airline’s total bases to 20 across Europe, with six in the UK, three each in Germany, Ireland and Italy, two in Spain, and one each in Belgium, Sweden and France.
The Ryanair network is still dominated by London Stansted, its biggest base with 40 aircraft and 96 routes, and by Dublin with 20 aircraft and 74 routes.
In the last 12 months Ryanair has announced new bases at Bristol in south-west England, and at Dusseldorf Weeze and Bremen in Germany, as its steps up its attack on the German market. Mr Millar said that two or three more would be announced during the winter, as the airline aimed to reach at least 30 bases by 2012.
Ryanair believed there was still “plenty of headroom for growth in Europe,” he said.
With 42.5m passengers in the latest 12 months the airline had a market share of only 7 per cent of the European market of 600m short-haul passengers. The market was growing by around 5 per cent or 30m passengers a year.
Ryanair surprised the financial markets earlier this month with a warning that it was facing “softer” market conditions during the summer months, but its response has been to launch a series of deeply discounted fare promotions in order to drive up volumes and fill its rapidly growing fleet.
Even after doubling passenger numbers in five years the airline would still have a market share of less than 10 per cent, said Mr Millar.
He admitted to some concern about the growing environmental opposition to the rapid growth of the aviation industry, but he attributed the recent softening in demand in particular in the UK chiefly to economic factors including higher interest rates, the doubling of air passenger duty and rising airport charges.
“Hysteria about global warming can be affecting the market around the edges, he said. “There is a softness out there. Everybody is seeing it.”
He rejected suggestions that there was growing overcapacity in the European market. “Only Ryanair and EasyJet are really growing. The flag carriers are not doing much in short-haul,” he said.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007

 

[Capi_Cafre']

Just answered your question. Thats what a 319CA should make 1st year. Simple as that.

Looks like our journey from "A Cadillac a month" to "I should have my Neon paid off some time in 2010" is complete.

 

[airfogey]

Good!

We need airline capacity and competition like we need a hole in the head!

Every airline is running a load factor of 80% plus which is essentially full and they are turning away business--yet airline execs like Doogie Parkweiser say we have too much capacity..... I don't think so--although if you can't make money hand over fist with the flights this full then there is probably room for new airlines....

Airfogey