AIRTRAN has a TA ?!?!

[Lear70]

Citrus is right, that's effectively a 10-15% pay cut on 3 out of 4 trips I've flown every month for the last year.

GT1900, you missed where we lost the better of scheduled block or better. They've also gone to a 3-month average for computing credit instead of using passenger flight schedules.

The ENTIRE SCHEDULING SECTION alone is a cumulative 15-20% pay CUT and will have to be re-written, as well as SCOPE, COMPENSATION, AND RETIREMENT AND INSURANCE.

Basically the meat and potatoes of the entire agreement. I don't think a simple change of a couple section's wording is going to do it and sending Skipper back in there is a MISTAKE! He believes in this thing, and will just want to tweak a few things and send it back to us.

We have to have someone running the NC who is IN TOUCH with the pilot group and won't bring anything substandard back.

 

[mnboyev]

So... did they take the bankrupt airlines and copy their imposed work rules

 

[cl65capt]

Think we can talk Mike B into coming back? I promise you he wouldnt have brought us this POS.

 

[gt1900]

I hate to say this, but Mike M wouldn't have brought us anything.. The company wasn't going to negotiate with him.. Too much water under the bridge... Lear... Block or better is gone as well?? It just keeps getting worse and worse...

 

[DougCorp-9]

Hey Lear,

Where does it say we lost block or better. I missed that one.

 

[Kharma Police]

I hate to say this, but Mike M wouldn't have brought us anything.. The company wasn't going to negotiate with him.. Too much water under the bridge... Lear... Block or better is gone as well?? It just keeps getting worse and worse...

Thats tough shiznit if the company doesn't want to negotiate with Mike B! You think think the NPA likes to negotiate with Steve K? Since the company wanted Mike B gone then the NPA should have demanded Steve Ks removal!

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

The ENTIRE SCHEDULING SECTION alone is a cumulative 15-20% pay CUT and will have to be re-written, as well as SCOPE, COMPENSATION, AND RETIREMENT AND INSURANCE.

Don't forget the training section. Not recommended for checkride is now the same as failed checkride. Do you really want a 72-year-old scab, who shouldn't even be alowed near the simulator, deciding your career?

 

[IFLYASA]

Good lucks guys/gals. We cannot even get a T/A here at ASA, even after 4 1/2 years. I hope to be joining you soon. Keep it strong and don't back down!

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Well I guys I think it might be time cut our losses. All the FOs that are on the fence, it time to open the flood gates. Hey Lear I will race you to the door.

This whole thing has me so pissed off!!:uzi:

 

[newnan]

When we vote this down, what then? Will it go back to the negotiating committee and company to rehash it out and then will we get to vote on it again or will it just go to the BOD for their approval and we'll be stuck with whatever they come up with?

 

[DougCorp-9]

Membership ratification is required. The BOD cannot impose it.

 

[BigEasy]

It is time for the junior pilots at Airtran (57% of our pilots have been here 5 years or less according to the Jan 1. seniority list) to speak out.

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I did speak out, I left the company earlier this year and have never looked back. Don't get me wrong, I flew with some really great individuals there, but my experience was absolutely horrible. Upper management can take this TA and shove you know where. I'm all worked up and I don't even work there anymore. You guys deserve much much more than this!

So is coach gonna keep track of all the doctors notes?

The union should be ashamed of passing this to you guys!

Sorry, but after experiencing all the crap there for two years seeing this proposal pisses me off.

Do what is right!

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

From talking to BoD member today, their sales pitch on this will be something like this: "yeah it's not great, but if we go back to the table, we will end up with the same thing only a year later, and will have no merger protection during next few months"

My view on it - I will take my chance on that. I think if we vote this down by huge numbers, we will get much better deal in however long it takes.

We need a new NC....at least!

 

[DougCorp-9]

If the company screws us on a merger I'll just set the parking brake. The pilots control this airline as long as they don't leave their nuts at home in the refrigerator. The company dones't want to play that game.

 

[CitationLover]

....and will have no merger protection during next few months"

400 MEH pilots scare them that much? at a worst case, the AAI list stapled to MEH list, you'd still in all likelihood come out ahead versus keeping what you have now.