Duane Woerth rumor... YGTBSM!!

[PCL_128]

PCL:

4 guys is hardly a mandate....all that means is that they aren't in it for themselves/$$$ and those guys obviously like to fly. Good on them.

There are more of those guys than you think. It's not just former EVPs either. Michael Geer is the current DAL EVP, and he still flies the line regularly. Others do as well. Our MEC Chairman will be going back to the line in the next few months. Happens all the time.

Isn't Wychor the Mesaba MEC Chairman? IMO, that isn't flying the line. Your opinion of course will vary.

You're correct. Captain Wychor is still an MEC Chair even though he isn't an EVP anymore. I believe he's on full-time FPL, but he's also doing organizing work for National. Tom does more ALPA work than just about anyone.

 

[Occam's Razor]

The only one I know of is Feldvary....USAir guy.

So the litmus test for existence is whether or not YOU know them?

Got it!

Rene Descartes...ever meet him?

I thought he existed. So did he. Which sorta proves it, I think. <--That means I exist!

I can think of a number of National VP's that would have loved to have gone back to the line...but Age 60 stopped them: Mugger, Moose Donnelly, Denny Dolan, JJ O'Donnell, Duffy, etc.

You apparently blame National officers for working full-time to support the MEC's and take our message to the government. Anytime you elect one of your own to lead, you get "politics"...the art of convincing others that you're the best one for the job.

Maybe we should abandon this stupid election stuff and just choose our President by lottery. Not your issue, though.

 

[ferlo]

So the litmus test for existence is whether or not YOU know them?

Got it!

Rene Descartes...ever meet him?

I thought he existed. So did he. Which sorta proves it, I think. <--That means I exist!

I can think of a number of National VP's that would have loved to have gone back to the line...but Age 60 stopped them: Mugger, Moose Donnelly, Denny Dolan, JJ O'Donnell, Duffy, etc.

You apparently blame National officers for working full-time to support the MEC's and take our message to the government. Anytime you elect one of your own to lead, you get "politics"...the art of convincing others that you're the best one for the job.

Maybe we should abandon this stupid election stuff and just choose our President by lottery. Not your issue, though.

You're point is taken, however, let's wait and see what Duane does. I'm betting it's anti-labor. I wouldn't be so fast to protect his honor... Time will tell.

 

[skiandsurf]

Worked under Randy Babbitt

AA senior management comes from ALPA HQs. I guess they work at ALPA, then go to the companies with all the inside dirt.


http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2004_03/17_oliver.jhtml

 

[d328pilot]

Have you ever met Captain Woerth and spoken to him for even a couple of minutes?

Met him, got screwed over by him, and had the pleasure of voting against him at the last BOD. It was kind of funny though watching him lobby the Mesa guys in their hospitality suite. I knew when I saw him in with the regionals he was in trouble...

 

[kommutrdog]

Where Duane Woerthless will wind up

DW will wind up being a paid lobbyist for the ATA. Not the airline, but the Airtransport Association. He'll use his "skills" to lobby against pilot workrules, quality of life improvements etc. He'll convince Congress and the public that pilots are just over-paid and underworked whiners who "should just be glad they can have a job they 'love' "

I'm not surprised he's not there already.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Despite your uncompromising certainty...you are wrong.

Duane is a trade-unionist.

Stick to timing the Markets, Nostradumbass.

 

[redbook]

Despite your uncompromising certainty...you are wrong.

Duane is a trade-unionist.

Stick to timing the Markets, Nostradumbass.

Occam,

I enjoy reading your posts. I particularly like the previous one re: Descartes.
I can't believed you dropped so far on this one with Nostradumbass.

Come on, man, you are half the reason I read this board. Thank you.

 

[gmsguy]

Occam is the only reason I read this board. Keep 'em coming!

BTW, I get a kick out of the "Mr. Rainey" replies to Yourpilotdork.

 

[((7))]

John Feldvary- Classic fellow- In the mold of Occam. Would and did sell his Grandmother for a lengthy stay feasting at the National Expense Account Boys Club/ALPA. Occam you are sure testy these days. Did Duane no show for your Leg Waxing appointment or maybe your having one of those mood swing moments? Whatever it is keep taking your Midal and you should be your pampered self appointed idiot in no time.

 

[Occam's Razor]

John Feldvary- Classic fellow- In the mold of Occam.

Ha! Feldvary is a tall, undertaker-looking fellow. Weak treasurer. Not much personality. Me? Fairly gushing with verisimilitude, confidence, and charming wit. And modesty!...Did I mention modesty?

Would and did sell his Grandmother for a lengthy stay feasting at the National Expense Account Boys Club/ALPA.

Ha! I bought his grandmother for $49.95 and she couldn't filet a walleye to save her life!

Occam you are sure testy these days.

According to Heisenberg, you're positing that observation from an unsubstantiated reference point, so it's uncertain that you're correct. Make sense at least once so we'll know where you're coming from. If not...20-minutes to Wapner!

Did Duane no show for your Leg Waxing appointment or maybe your having one of those mood swing moments? Whatever it is keep taking your Midal and you should be your pampered self appointed idiot in no time.

1. It's back waxing!
2. It's "Midol" (and I prefer Pamprin, thank you!)
3. Others have declared me an idiot...so lay off this "self appointed" stuff!

 

[Sig]

Occam,

we all know you get nowhere putting Descartes before the whores. The burning question is when did Sir Isaac invent a tasty fig confection and accidentally describe gravity?

I should've paid closer attention in school, something about a fish in lieu of education...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Unions are political organizations in washington dc... When a pilot becomes a politician to play the DC game (s/he has too... you don't send a baseball player to a footbal game do you? Well, you don't send a pilot to play politics. You send a politician. Now it helps that our politicans are/were pilots..) he seems to lose a connection with the membership. This is common in general with the citizenry or membership etc...

Politics is all about give and take... Pilots seem to think they are the golden boys and eveybody loves pilots. Not in DC.

Nobody gives a damn about pilots. No One. Not one.

So if you think your pilot politician is selling you out you may want to reconsider that airmanship skills do not apply. Alliances and deal making do.

Woerth was extrememly effective on CapHill. What he was weak at was staying connected with the membership. What the memebership is weak at is understanding the game of politics. IN addition, I don't think any ALPA President was going to be liked over the last six years. Somebody needed to be a punching bag.....

I am not saying that DW was the greatest thing... I do think he did better than most think and that is simply because they use the "me me me" scale to measure his effectiveness. Rather they should use a political scoring sheet given the environement of the last six years... And finally, he lost the last election....so the ship is righted.....no?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Occam,

we all know you get nowhere putting Descartes before the whores. The burning question is when did Sir Isaac invent a tasty fig confection and accidentally describe gravity?

I should've paid closer attention in school, something about a fish in lieu of education...

Ok...you're my new hero!

Deal with it!

 

[Sig]

Deal with it!

Ha!

A few years ago I tried to market a book I wrote called "Zoroastrianism and the Art of Bicycle Maintenance." It was a commercial flop as I was collectively sued by Schwinn(TM), pre-postmodern nihilists and a whining group of lantern waving mystics over the subtitle... "THIS spoke, Zarathustra." Feckin' Hollywood.

** You could say I had found my niche, but that would be so bourgeois as to miss the marks entirely. What hubris!

 

[Occam's Razor]

A few years ago I tried to market a book I wrote called "Zoroastrianism and the Art of Bicycle Maintenance." It was a commercial flop as I was collectively sued by Schwinn(TM), pre-postmodern nihilists and a whining group of lantern waving mystics over the subtitle... "THIS spoke, Zarathustra." Feckin' Hollywood.

Couldn't you just pedal it elsewhere?

 

[Sig]

Couldn't you just pedal it elsewhere?

Due to an unforeseen chain of events (the cyclical nature of the industry, you know), and the long uphill battle I would be mountin' , I came to the stark realization that I was simply two-tired.

 

[redbook]

Never thought I would enjoy a Duane Woerth thread so much.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Due to an unforeseen chain of events (the cyclical nature of the industry, you know), and the long uphill battle I would be mountin' , I came to the stark realization that I was simply two-tired.

I Kant stand this anymore...so don't get me Sarte'd!

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I thought all EVP's were part time (very part time) and flew the line with occasional flight pay loss for Executive Council meetings and other pertinent events? It's my understanding that the President is the only pilot who is an employee of ALPA and the three other national officers and the President's executive administrator are the only pilots at National on full time flight pay loss.

Also it is my understanding that John Prater is one of the first or at least the first ALPA's President in recent history to stay current and continue to fly, albeit very little but does still fly. It is my understanding from a reliable source John Prater had demanded he would do such despite resistance from top ALPA staffers.