Duane Woerth rumor... YGTBSM!!

[CopilotDoug]

I don't know why that is a so difficult for angry, fustrated, emotional guys like FD and Doug...oh wait never mind....

Hey! I may be angry, frustrated, and emotional, but...wait, what was the other thing you said?

Alright, I concede. What bad could possibly come from pilot involvement in their Union? Best of luck to you in accomplishing that. You accomplish that, and that would be something to hang your hat upon.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hey! I may be angry, frustrated, and emotional, but...wait, what was the other thing you said?

Alright, I concede. What bad could possibly come from pilot involvement in their Union? Best of luck to you in accomplishing that. You accomplish that, and that would be something to hang your hat upon.

I agree Doug.... more power to him if he can get more people involved....

Of course what happens when we all get involved and we don't agree... then what...

 

[PCL_128]

I agree Doug.... more power to him if he can get more people involved....

Of course what happens when we all get involved and we don't agree... then what...

It's called democracy, John. You still seem to have a problem understanding that. You just won't always get your way. Deal with it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Occam- You have very intelligent responses. And sounds like you've been through a lot and have seen a lot. I'll yield to that. I understand that things are cyclical, and believe me- though i'm not at a major yet- there have been many that have suffered much more than me lately. I'm not a doom and gloom guy.

Agreed. There is always someone who has it worse than me.

I just get frustrated at the lack of control I and everyone else has over their career-- and we set it up that way.

When we were learning how to fly did we stand around the vending machines and water cooler with the other pilots are say " I hope I am really politically effective as an Air Line Pilot!" Yet that is what it takes. None of us had our expectations aligned when we got into the business.

I'm a capitalist, i want to work hard and make money myself and help my company succeed--

It is too bad our companies don't think like that about us. We are not capitalist. We are labor. Our managements are the capitalists. If we want to be captialist then we should quit the labor force and start a small business.

but i hate that i can't bail out on my company for another that i may be qualified for, that is doing a better job, has better management and a better plan-

Agreed, but it would be very expensive for the companies. Cause if you could do it then so must everyone else be able too. Until the better system comes along...

and one that may work better for me for my life- b/c i cannot afford to take the hit on seniority. I don't like that i am ultimately married to my company no matter what direction they may head- when noone else at the airline is half as invested.

It is too bad the management doesn't view us as partners. After all, we do move thier million dollar assets around...

I also find it strange that as conservative and capitalist as most pilots tend to be that we'd accept setting up our career in the most socialist way possible.

Here is the paradox. We need to accept it and make it work for us.

I'm not saying get rid of the unions-NOT AT ALL, WE NEED THEM- and i'll concede that seniority solves many real problems for an operation-- but in the end how many excellent pilots lives are in effect ruined b/c of it?

And its not becuase pilots are poor performers. In fact our safety recoed is so good that that management comes to work NOT worrying about accidents. Thus they can focus on lower costs: labor costs.

And for no fault of their own. Life's not fair and that happens- but it seems to happen a disproportionate amount of time in the flying business. Is there no hybrid way of doing it? Some way to not take such a huge hit to change companies? Is there no another solution?

Recall it is the free market that we love. Its forces are amazing.

I just want the conversation out there-- Maybe someone more brilliant than me will come up with something.

Everyone brings something to the table. There are allot of smart guys amongts the 60,000 of us. It is just the cynical sandbaggers that are self defeatists that really effect the effectiveness...

In the meantime-- I completely agree with you and Rez-- I have to work within the system that is there-- and work hard for everyone. There's no excuse not to be involved in your union.

There are those that want to radical. Break the law. Unfortunately history has shown that unions that break the law regress.

We have also shown that organized masses in numbers does work. We just need to get guys to activate...

But again- groupthink- i think a lot of the leaders tend to circle the wagons against their own group-- "we work, volunteer, you don't- so your opinion does not matter..."

I reject that union leader mentality. Squash it.

That's an easy sentiment- but if you really want more participation you have to create ways for folks to volunteer easily and without huge time commitments- and then allow them to participate as little as they want or can. Once they get their feet wet- most will end up doing more than they thought they would. In the end, you only need so many chiefs-- the indians just have to vote the right way, correct?

Agreed. Some of the MEC's guard thier sandboxes and those allowed inside. It is easier to rely on known elements than to recruit new guys. That has to change. Also, one of ALPA's flaws is the MEC operate as seperate tribes. There is an effort to makes the tribes more cohesive.... To build the familiarity and trust. I've been quite surprised as to how ineffective we can be... but then we are compared to other unions we are amazingly effective.

We've got lots to do and we need more guys doing it....

 

[enigma]

I don't the mental energy to get too deep into this at the moment, but I'd like to say this: to all of you who have a problem with union leadership - it's real easy to get in the game. I'll almost guarantee you that your own MEC or LEC has an election coming up sometime in the next two years. So go ahead and run for office. Make a difference.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Copilotdoug-

There are allot of hot chicks to be your avatar. Good God man get rid of that self absorbed jackass!

 

[CopilotDoug]

Copilotdoug-

There are allot of hot chicks to be your avatar. Good God man get rid of that self absorbed jackass!

:laugh:

Can you honestly NOT look at that picture and begin laughing??? I found it funny...even slightly nauseating...but hopefully someone else will too (find it funny, that is)

 

[merlindrvr88]

I have.

Have you ever met Captain Woerth and spoken to him for even a couple of minutes?



I haven't had any FPL in the past two months, and I've taken maybe 5 or 6 days total in the last year. My work for ALPA is done almost exclusively on my days off.

I have met "Captain Woerth". What a Joke. He is for ALPO and the airline, and to bad, but I have more total turbine time than that sack of shat. What a loser. Duane Woerth, dork extrordinaire. He desreves to die, and he is typed in nothing. Dwayne sucks donkey balls, and was never a pilot. Screw dwayne

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I have met "Captain Woerth". What a Joke. He is for ALPO and the airline, and to bad, but I have more total turbine time than that sack of shat. What a loser. Duane Woerth, dork extrordinaire. He desreves to die, and he is typed in nothing. Dwayne sucks donkey balls, and was never a pilot. Screw dwayne

Tell us how you really feel, don't keep it bottled up inside

 

[CopilotDoug]

I have met "Captain Woerth". What a Joke. He is for ALPO and the airline, and to bad, but I have more total turbine time than that sack of shat. What a loser. Duane Woerth, dork extrordinaire. He desreves to die, and he is typed in nothing. Dwayne sucks donkey balls, and was never a pilot. Screw dwayne

:laugh:
That's some good stuff! I laughed my arse of with this one!

What time are you two supposed to have lunch?