New Jetblue pay raise!

[mrvmo]

Looks like the idiots are out to play...............................Congratulations JB boys and girls!!!!

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Are you serious? United has a 16% B-Fund: Continental, 12.5%: AirTran 10.5%. We absolutely still need to look at retirement. This pay raise was a slap in the face. They can't fill the classes we have now, people are bailing in record numbers, and they just dropped first-year pay in the Bus!?!?!?! Unbelievable...

The real winner here is the retirement package. Under the old system, my 401k was getting 6% (3% mine, 3% match). Now its going to get 15% (5% from me, and 10% from the company). A 9% increase in retirement is absolutely the right thing for the pilot group.

The rest of the package is palatable until JetBlue really starts to recover and make money. Then we can do this again and focus more on hourly rates and not so much on the retirement.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

If you think this is major pay, and it's where it should be, you're out of your mind. This is a fun place to work, but fun doesn't pay the bills, nor does it fund retirement. And if you really are coming here, make sure you stay on your spouse's insurance if you have one...

Looks pretty sweet. Congrats guys, I am jealous. It's good to see major pay where it should be. I'm excited to get there.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Oh nice. I just saw you work for Go Jet. Please don't come here. We don't need scab-wannabes. Ick...

Looks pretty sweet. Congrats guys, I am jealous. It's good to see major pay where it should be. I'm excited to get there.

 

[clickclickboom]

Oh nice. I just saw you work for Go Jet. Please don't come here. We don't need scab-wannabes. Ick...

Bob take it easy on the guy. I am not an old school guy BUT I can remember when I was learning to fly the owner of the airport told me about his old days at Pan Am.. The money he was making back then adjusted for inflation today would be approximately $600,000 in the left seat at $350,000 in the right seat.

The guys going from chump to ATP in 6 months at some pilot puppy mill have no concept of the airline industry other then what the recruiters told them.

They start flying for $17 an hour and see a job for $47 on the horizon and they think it will be like winning the lottery to make $55,000 a year.

 

[Dogwood]

Are you serious? United has a 16% B-Fund: Continental, 12.5%: AirTran 10.5%. We absolutely still need to look at retirement. This pay raise was a slap in the face. They can't fill the classes we have now, people are bailing in record numbers, and they just dropped first-year pay in the Bus!?!?!?! Unbelievable...

Bob,

There is no doubt that our compensation package has a ways to go yet, but it's a step in the right direction. It was done pretty quickly, once our management had a wakeup call. This would have been at least a 1 to 2 year negotiation had we been ALPA.

As our company grows, I hope our package will also. I'l rather be at a solid company making a little less, then making industry leading wages, just to be furloughed after years of stupid management. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

My situation is I'm a 3rd year 320 FO. I'll make $76,000 this year if I stay in that seat, but may upgrade to 320 Cap in the next few months. I'm having trouble finding something really wrong with that picture. Again, not industry leading, but not dragging down the career either.

As the legacies come out of their contracts that were negotiated in BK, we'll have a better picture to paint next year.

DW

 

[klr1395]

Congrats B6 folks! I am not even in the industry yet, but it seems that a lot of people have been wanting pay to go up for a while instead of the cuts that were the hallmark of the survuval mentality after 9-11/bad management/concessions/crappy union support etc. When a company's pilot group gets a raise, some people are still finding ways to poke holes in it instead of realizing THIS WAS A RAISE! PAY/BENEFITS WENT UP! The JetBlue raises may not be perfect or where they might need to eventually be, but the fact here is that pilot pay went up. We should all be happy about that and for them. Not to say that we should not all hope and want for more but for once someone got a raise. Hats off to B6 and the pilots there that were walking away, subsequently getting managements attention and bringing this to fruition. I hope for the sake of everyone that this becomes the trend industry wide. But hey, what do I know...-klr

 

[elag777]

Let's be honest. The raises only affect those that are either quitting or are going to bid equipment that will cost the company.
Very carefully calculated, I admit.
Plus. Kinda reminds me of the the old, B scale strategy.
Huh? Won't affect YOU! That's for NEW hires!

There will only be a disparity on FO pay for the next thirteen months, after that it will all be the same after those hired Jan 1 through May move into year 2 pay. Your B scale "strategy" is void after this.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Oh nice. I just saw you work for Go Jet. Please don't come here. We don't need scab-wannabes. Ick...

However, that is just the type of candidate that I believe JB management is looking for.

GP

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Bob,

As our company grows, I hope our package will also. I'l rather be at a solid company making a little less, then making industry leading wages, just to be furloughed after years of stupid management. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.


DW

Are those the choices? Why can't JB have better wages with good managment? Southwest does, and JB should too. Al told us we would be within 2% of Southwest years ago. Hasn't happened.

Just because pilots might be paid well doesn't mean an automatic furlough.

I've also "Been there, done that, got the t-shirt". It was the result of incompetent management that got our company into the bad situation. Then, management capitalized on the effects of September 11th to gut our contract by threatening us with liquidation (a situation that they created) and farm out more of our flying.

GP

 

[Caveman]

These improvements are good, but not great. I will not look a gift horse in the mouth. Thanks D&D. This was a step in the right direction. BTW, it wasn't enough to make me withdraw my SWA app.

 

[Longhorn]

Guys, ignore instructordude....he is a POS. He is a flamebait master. I cant tell you how many times I had to warn the guy when I was a mod. Please...use the ignore feature. As for you instructor guy....you are truly a piece of work. Go back to your scab outfit.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Guys, ignore instructordude....he is a POS. He is a flamebait master. I cant tell you how many times I had to warn the guy when I was a mod. Please...use the ignore feature. As for you instructor guy....you are truly a piece of work. Go back to your scab outfit.

I wouldn't be surprised if instructordude is that little wet fart uppercrust.

P.S. Three pages and no one has written anything about cabin cleaning?

 

[FADEC]

This is a step in the right direction. Back to crossing seatbelts. Click Click boom they must have noticed my boycott!!!

 

[zkmayo]

Are you serious? United has a 16% B-Fund: Continental, 12.5%: AirTran 10.5%. We absolutely still need to look at retirement. This pay raise was a slap in the face. They can't fill the classes we have now, people are bailing in record numbers, and they just dropped first-year pay in the Bus!?!?!?! Unbelievable...

Jetblue's first year pay is still head and shoulders above all the other majors except FDX, SWA, and DAL. FDX pays $57, SWA around $61, and DAL $49. Everyone else is well below. With the exception of the dismal e190 fo rates of last year, FO first year pay has never been the area that needed much attention.

10% match of your money is a major step to giving us good retirement savings. There is also potential to save more if/when the company exceeds the 5% gross match in profit sharing.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Additionally, they're not done yet. On or about Apr 16th, we (the pilots)should find more out about a defined contribution program. The 401k and profit sharing thing was company wide, all positions. Enough said, it is a step in the right direction-- all this done without third party representation or 1-2 years of negotiations. Some airlines are still negotiating, others are still giving up pay/benefits-- and as long as airlines maintain their competitiveness with pay/benefits (or increase them)-- jetblue is likely to continue to address these issues to ensure recruitment and retention.

 

[MD80DRVR]

Additionally, they're not done yet. On or about Apr 16th, we (the pilots)should find more out about a defined contribution program. The 401k and profit sharing thing was company wide, all positions. Enough said, it is a step in the right direction-- all this done without third party representation or 1-2 years of negotiations. Some airlines are still negotiating, others are still giving up pay/benefits-- and as long as airlines maintain their competitiveness with pay/benefits (or increase them)-- jetblue is likely to continue to address these issues to ensure recruitment and retention.

Where did you hear something about a defined contribution plan? I haven't heard anything about it. Are you saying that we will be given something above and beyond what they already announced?

While I'm not too impressed with the raises, I guess I can't complain too much. Less than two years on the property, and I fly with my favorite Captain every day and will make about 90K during year two. Not great, but it beats flying for Hulas.

 

[Dogwood]

Where did you hear something about a defined contribution plan? I haven't heard anything about it. Are you saying that we will be given something above and beyond what they already announced?

While I'm not too impressed with the raises, I guess I can't complain too much. Less than two years on the property, and I fly with my favorite Captain every day and will make about 90K during year two. Not great, but it beats flying for Hulas.

I think he misread the email, or maybe I did. The DC plan is discussed under NEXT STEPS, but that was just a summary of what was already stated. Just more clarification and details will be coming in April.

Just 5% match, plus a Defined Contribution of an additional 5%. If profit sharing exceeds 5%, we get that in cash.

 

[MD80DRVR]

O.K. that's what I thought. Believe me, I'm happy with the 7% jump in retirement savings, but I'm just a little upset with the 190 CA pay.

 

[9rj9]

dear upset

upset because you're on the 190. me me me me me me.....get over it, you knew the payscale when you were hired, and I'll bet your not worth 20 bucks an hour, so the company is overpaying you. If you don't like it leave.

 

[WNFO]

If you think this is major pay, and it's where it should be, you're out of your mind. This is a fun place to work, but fun doesn't pay the bills, nor does it fund retirement. And if you really are coming here, make sure you stay on your spouse's insurance if you have one...

See you in Dallas dude!

 

[Falconjet]

upset because you're on the 190. me me me me me me.....get over it, you knew the payscale when you were hired, and I'll bet your not worth 20 bucks an hour, so the company is overpaying you. If you don't like it leave.

Can't you just feel the blue love?

FJ

 

[thruthemurk]

upset because you're on the 190. me me me me me me.....get over it, you knew the payscale when you were hired, and I'll bet your not worth 20 bucks an hour, so the company is overpaying you. If you don't like it leave.

let me guess. you're one of the geniuses who came to fly 320's for 75$ an hour, and now actually think you're worth $120+. How about you knew what you came to work for and forward anything above 75$ back to the company?

 

[8vATE]

Al told us we would be within 2% of Southwest years ago. Hasn't happened.GP

Wow....!

Barger and everyone already APOLOGIZED for that statement.
Was it a lie? Was it a promise?

I don't really see JetBlue paying SWA (35+ years and 400+airplane) wages.
As I don't see us paying FDX, UPS or top tier wages.

Sorry to say...
You're going to have to get past that broken promise and mistake made by Al.

 

[MD80DRVR]

Can't you just feel the blue love?

FJ

I don't think the little flamer works for JetBlue. He just likes to stir the pot.

 

[Headfake14]

Wow....!

Barger and everyone already APOLOGIZED for that statement.
Was it a lie? Was it a promise?

I don't really see JetBlue paying SWA (35+ years and 400+airplane) wages.
As I don't see us paying FDX, UPS or top tier wages.

Sorry to say...
You're going to have to get past that broken promise and mistake made by Al.

I was gonna say something about that...ya beat me to it.


I'll add this.

JetBlue is only SEVENish years old. 125 or so AC and 1800 pilots give or take. I wouldn't expect us to have a pay scale that close to SWA yet. Gotta be realistic. I totally believe someday in the future...yes. It'll be pretty damn close. We just took a step down that road. But life in the air isn't all about the hourly rate. It's all the other little things that make the difference.

 

[IrishjbPilot]

Headfake14.....Thank you..Very good point.

 

[Caveman]

O.K. that's what I thought. Believe me, I'm happy with the 7% jump in retirement savings, but I'm just a little upset with the 190 CA pay.

I'm on your side but technically it was a 233% increase. All we had before was a 3% match. That was increased by 66% to a 5% match. The 5% guaranteed PS equates to another 167% over the original 401K. Granted, 233% of not much still isn't spectacular but all in all it was a nice improvement.

 

[Green]

Bob take it easy on the guy. I am not an old school guy BUT I can remember when I was learning to fly the owner of the airport told me about his old days at Pan Am.. The money he was making back then adjusted for inflation today would be approximately $600,000 in the left seat at $350,000 in the right seat.

The guys going from chump to ATP in 6 months at some pilot puppy mill have no concept of the airline industry other then what the recruiters told them.

They start flying for $17 an hour and see a job for $47 on the horizon and they think it will be like winning the lottery to make $55,000 a year.

sad but true....While the jb raise is better than a stick in the eye and things are moving in the right direction, I can't imagine a self respecting airline pilot getting excited over a $10/hr raise.

 

[737 Pylt]

upset because you're on the 190. me me me me me me.....get over it, you knew the payscale when you were hired, and I'll bet your not worth 20 bucks an hour, so the company is overpaying you. If you don't like it leave.

This coming from some dumbass regional flight attendant! Take a hike troll! This is the majors board Stick to something you know, like coke or diet coke!

737