To the Skywest Crew with "Severe Icing" in DEN today...

[Prop2Jet]

Bad ice.... so what be safe and over block then cold and six feet under. Man some people think the world just revolves around them and managment. Go hold you wuss and wait it out for a bit.

 

[NarcolepticAV8R]

In my opinion, though the SKW flight may have encountered some severe icing, the report was unnecessary and created excessive delays.

Why was the report unnecessary if the SKW flight encountered severe icing?

 

[capt. megadeth]

Ha ha....the old Monday morning quarterbacks. If the crew crashed, some of you would be all over them for being "inexperienced" and not being able to recognize severe icing yada yada yada. All of you guys criticizing the crew for erring on the side of caution should be in airline managment.

 

[meatwallet]

The name calling and management comments are a great addition to this debate. Keep it up.

Again, perhaps those who were actually there and experienced the conditions in question can offer more to the discussion.

If I encountered severe, maybe I'd consider immediately turning around/climb/descend/declare emergency if necessary.

I don't know the SKW details, but did they just continue and land? Oh yeah, by the way we have severe ice.

The layer is only a couple thousand feet thick. Maybe some common sense would help.

Only my opinions, I wasn't in their cockpit, but I did fly around in that stuff all day...

 

[NarcolepticAV8R]

If I encountered severe, maybe I'd consider immediately turning around/climb/descend/declare emergency if necessary.

I don't know the SKW details, but did they just continue and land? Oh yeah, by the way we have severe ice.

Hmm, meatwallet, I guess I don't understand. Wouldn't following the ILS and landing constitute descending? Your statements are contradictory.

 

[NarcolepticAV8R]

In my opinion, though the SKW flight may have encountered some severe icing, the report was unnecessary and created excessive delays...

...If I encountered severe, maybe I'd consider immediately turning around/climb/descend/declare emergency if necessary.

I'm not following you meatwallet. First you say the report was unnecessary then you say that you would declare an emergency...go figure.

 

[Crossky]

Icing can be very localized, and I did not personally experience anything severe (nor have I ever in my career).

In my opinion, though the SKW flight may have encountered some severe icing, the report was unnecessary and created excessive delays. No one cares about the cost of fuel here, but I do not enjoy holding and using up my extra fuel when I don't have to.

What is severe icing on a hot wing anyway (I only have flown with boots)? I would guess anything that adheres to it since the "anti-ice equipment cannot eliminate the icing risk."

Yes, who made this famous quote which is so true: "ICE is where you find it."?

Do you realize what you've written sir? 'They may have been in severe icing but the report wasn't necessary'? I believe the AIM and the regs REQUIRE that pilots report severe icing to ATC. And you're complaining about using extra fuel.

Denver can be a strange bird, you should know that if you are based there. Most of the time it's nice and sunny, but there are days with unforecast RVR600 FZFG, microbursts, tornados, and yes, severe ice. UAL 737's have taxiied in at DEN with an INCH of ice on their HOT WINGS before.

 

[tcoll777]

Very sarcastic, however, very informative debate. IMOO the guy knew what "severe" would do to the system. He said it for a reason and may have saved lives that night.

 

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[meatwallet]

I don't consider continuing an approach in "severe" icing conditions a way to exit those conditions.

Again, I wasn't in their cockpit; I question whether the conditions were actually severe based on my standards--highly subjective obviously.

The conditions covered a very small part of the atmosphere, very difficult for me to see how severe icing could have occurred. Maybe the CL65 ices up differently from a 1900 though.

 

[414Flyer]

Wasnt there a controversy, late 90s, about Central Air, having having their AC500s to be TKS equipped, pressuring their pilots to report severe icing anytime they encountered icing on approach, in order to cause problems for competitors?

 

[urflyingme?!]

Hey meat. When was the last time you flew around at 2000 agl in a class b for the majority of a 15 minute aproach? In ORD we cruise around at about 3-7K AGL for about 5-15 minute, depending on traffic loads. SO ya, id say an 8000 foot thick layer that is the ENTIRE ALTITUDE RANGE for 90% of your intermediate/approach segment wold not be great...

 

[fried chickens]

I don't consider continuing an approach in "severe" icing conditions a way to exit those conditions.

Again, I wasn't in their cockpit; I question whether the conditions were actually severe based on my standards--highly subjective obviously.

The conditions covered a very small part of the atmosphere, very difficult for me to see how severe icing could have occurred. Maybe the CL65 ices up differently from a 1900 though.

If you're on the ILS and a few mins from landing, why would go miss and stay in severe icing conditions longer?

 

[Corbon]

One time on an approach we encountered some pretty bad Vanilla Ice. Nasty stuff. It can slice like a ninja and cut like a razor blade so fast..other captains say "daaaamn". But I just kept my composure and the ice kicked loosed, magnatized by the heat while I kicked in the juice. Yo Denver approach...lets get outta here. Word to your mother. Ice ice baby too cold, too cold....

 

[WalterSobchak]

One time on an approach we encountered some pretty bad Vanilla Ice. Nasty stuff. It can slice like a ninja and cut like a razor blade so fast..other captains say "daaaamn". But I just kept my composure and the ice kicked loosed, magnatized by the heat while I kicked in the juice. Yo Denver approach...lets get outta here. Word to your mother. Ice ice baby too cold, too cold....

I think we have a winner.