Picking Up ASA Open Time.

[av8er2]

Everyone knows what mgt has done with this contract.

So how many of you have stood tall and not fallen for the 1.5 open time. Picking up this time is only a short term benefit to you.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

It's all the senior guys. Kind of hard to pick up open time doing 4 days.

 

[HarryParatestes]

Senior guys with nothing to lose. In too deep and too scared.

 

[wickedpilot]

Standing tall

I guess I probably should take advantage of the pay boost seeing how I'm at the bottom of the pay scale.

At the same time, picking up OT helps the company and relieves the pressures on scheduling. Until I see this company attempt to help out [read, new contract] its pilots and relieve the pressures and stresss we deal with having to pick up their slack, I refuse to sign up for any trip unless it's assigned to me.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

I'll continue to pick up all of the open time that I feel like picking up. This is a benefit to both the pilot and the company and IS part of OUR pilot working agreement.

Bob

 

[atrdriver]

I'll continue to pick up all of the open time that I feel like picking up. This is a benefit to both the pilot and the company and IS part of OUR pilot working agreement.

Bob

There's just nothing quite like someone willing to hold the companies feet to the fire to do what's right...uke:

 

[doh]

I'll continue to pick up all of the open time that I feel like picking up. This is a benefit to both the pilot and the company and IS part of OUR pilot working agreement.

Bob

Not only are you a tool's tool, but you are self lubricating in the bargain!uke:

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Everyone knows what mgt has done with this contract.

So how many of you have stood tall and not fallen for the 1.5 open time. Picking up this time is only a short term benefit to you.

No One at ASA should pick up open time. All open time should be left to our wonderful ********************bag management. SH is a cock.

 

[Snapperhead]

We have been in negotiations for over 4 years!!! When is this pilot group going to get pissed off enough? I guess never. I just flew with a Captain that did his own bugwash. Fugettaboutit.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I picked up two daylines last month and made about $1500 dollars extra.... life is good. They even took one of the daylines for training. That was about $750 dollars just to sit at home.....

 

[Sinca3]

I got extended last week and haven't picked up a thing in open time! Oh....the extention was then cancelled and I got time and a half to go home and wonder why people like you keep aiding management?!?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I got extended last week and haven't picked up a thing in open time! Oh....the extention was then cancelled and I got time and a half to go home and wonder why people like you keep aiding management?!?

So if I hadn't picked up those two daylines, one of which was taken for training anyway, we would have perfect management, a perfect company, and a new contract that would pay me a ton more than is currently on the table???? Would that $1500 dollars that I would have given up been reimbursed by not picking up those trips?????

 

[relief tube]

your union doesn't have an ASA pilot message board? sucks you guys have to communicate with all this B.S. in the way.

just curious.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fact is that there is an ALPA board, but management reads both boards so why not post if on here.
Plus, it helps with attracting so many people to this sinking ship.

 

[crjskipper]

av8, so glad you and john p are off your trips this week and able to add to the flight info asa whiner club. despite the tough talk of a few on this board - about every pilot i have flown with or talked to in the lounge or on the bus has tried to pickup open time - so many in fact that most trips are taken.

 

[Speedtape]

So if I hadn't picked up those two daylines, one of which was taken for training anyway, we would have perfect management, a perfect company, and a new contract that would pay me a ton more than is currently on the table???? Would that $1500 dollars that I would have given up been reimbursed by not picking up those trips?????

Do you need the money to pay your legal fees?

 

[ASADFW7]

ASA does have an ALPA board, but you have the same few guys who post the same old crap. On flightinfo they grow some courage. You cannot get mad at guys picking up open time when the negotiations have been handled in a way to out race time and to wait till the ecomonic opportunities improved to hold managements feet to the fire. Unfortunately the realities of life people still have bills to pay, and the opportunities that come along to change your QOL do not happen very often.

You not life the message but too many people are looking to move on, why should they help what they do have believe in, or have received support from. Too many politics, and life is too short. Look around the industry and what happens when you are at the top of the scale?

 

[John Pennekamp]

I picked up two daylines last month and made about $1500 dollars extra.... life is good. They even took one of the daylines for training. That was about $750 dollars just to sit at home.....

Someone's got to pay for his old lady's cigartettes and beer.

 

[79%N1]

Ouch Man!! Very Ouch!

 

[frapper]

So if I hadn't picked up those two daylines, one of which was taken for training anyway, we would have perfect management, a perfect company, and a new contract that would pay me a ton more than is currently on the table???? Would that $1500 dollars that I would have given up been reimbursed by not picking up those trips?????

Alright, someone please tell me how I block certain users! I can't read another post from this jack@ass!!!

A new hire FO picking up open time to pay the bills is one thing -- we've all been there. Although, everyone else knows exactly what they're doing. Just doing their part to help an under-staffed airline operate properly! It's pretty much the equivelant of sucking off someone in MGMT. Hope it was good for you, because BL and SH loved every minute of it!!!

I've got a suggestion on where you can put that $1500...

 

[PooPooPants]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

 

[Sinca3]

So if I hadn't picked up those two daylines, one of which was taken for training anyway, we would have perfect management, a perfect company, and a new contract that would pay me a ton more than is currently on the table???? Would that $1500 dollars that I would have given up been reimbursed by not picking up those trips?????

I'm not going to argue with you but you are really being an idiot! Tou answer your 2 questions no and no, but those question have absolutely nothing to do with my complaint about you picking up open time which in turn aids in managements poor planning and shows managment that the pilot group is really fine with the way this company is run which in turn proves that we are happy with the way they are negotiating with us.
Joe....I read your post with an open mind and put myself in others positions including management. You need to quit being so narrow minded.

If you want to continue discussing this PM I will not respond to any more of your post in this thread regarding this issue.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I'll continue to pick up all of the open time that I feel like picking up. This is a benefit to both the pilot and the company and IS part of OUR pilot working agreement.

Bob

Schmuck.....

 

[Blucher]

Schmuck.....

Sadly he is just telling the truth and showing why we've been in negotiations for over 4 years with no discernable impact on our performance. Also, I don't see any hope of ever getting a new contract with any real improvements in it as long as this attitude exists. However, I do agree with you, he is a "schmuck" for taking this position, as are most of our pilots for doing the same.

-Blucher

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Sadly he is just telling the truth and showing why we've been in negotiations for over 4 years with no discernable impact on our performance. Also, I don't see any hope of ever getting a new contract with any real improvements in it as long as this attitude exists. However, I do agree with you, he is a "schmuck" for taking this position, as are most of our pilots for doing the same.

-Blucher

To each ... his own. That is what makes America great.

Bob

 

[Texx]

av8, so glad you and john p are off your trips this week ..quote]

ALPA?

 

[Texx]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

This is nothing. Ask the guys that have been around here when Erion was over Crew Sch.

 

[ASARJMan]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

Extended is one thing you have no control over unless you're "tired". But getting drafted on your days off is your fault if you answered your phone.

ASA Planning
Always An Afterthought

 

[ASARJMan]

av8, so glad you and john p are off your trips this week ..quote]

ALPA?

For those of you who don't get Texx's meaning, well, it's because of our ALPA contract that those who have trips taken for training still get paid for it, as well as when a trip is cancelled, you get paid because it's in the contract that ALPA/ASA negotiated.

ASA
Pissin' Off Pilots Daily!

 

[IFlyFL410]

There are many other ways of "sticking it" to the company other than not picking up Open Time. The next CA that tells me not to pickup any open time, i'm just gonna ask him to write me a personal check out of his own account. Absolutely ridiculus! I assume most of you chest thumpers don't have families or debt that needs to be paid off. I set at my desk and see bills that need to be paid etc, then look at open time and see a trip that will pay me a few hundred dollars for doing nothing more than keeping my mouth shut and doing my job. I have a family that I am responsible for and if I can get us out of debt quicker, then that's where my loyalty lies. I'm all for striking, kicking management to the curb etc, but it's noone's place to tell me whether or not to make money to support my family. Like I said, there are many other ways to show your displeasure with ASA. I know all the usual supsects are going to chime in now and call me all kinds of names. That's fine, just PM me and I'll give you my address and you can just mail me a personal check. I take cash also.