Picking Up ASA Open Time.

[PooPooPants]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

 

[Sinca3]

So if I hadn't picked up those two daylines, one of which was taken for training anyway, we would have perfect management, a perfect company, and a new contract that would pay me a ton more than is currently on the table???? Would that $1500 dollars that I would have given up been reimbursed by not picking up those trips?????

I'm not going to argue with you but you are really being an idiot! Tou answer your 2 questions no and no, but those question have absolutely nothing to do with my complaint about you picking up open time which in turn aids in managements poor planning and shows managment that the pilot group is really fine with the way this company is run which in turn proves that we are happy with the way they are negotiating with us.
Joe....I read your post with an open mind and put myself in others positions including management. You need to quit being so narrow minded.

If you want to continue discussing this PM I will not respond to any more of your post in this thread regarding this issue.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I'll continue to pick up all of the open time that I feel like picking up. This is a benefit to both the pilot and the company and IS part of OUR pilot working agreement.

Bob

Schmuck.....

 

[Blucher]

Schmuck.....

Sadly he is just telling the truth and showing why we've been in negotiations for over 4 years with no discernable impact on our performance. Also, I don't see any hope of ever getting a new contract with any real improvements in it as long as this attitude exists. However, I do agree with you, he is a "schmuck" for taking this position, as are most of our pilots for doing the same.

-Blucher

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Sadly he is just telling the truth and showing why we've been in negotiations for over 4 years with no discernable impact on our performance. Also, I don't see any hope of ever getting a new contract with any real improvements in it as long as this attitude exists. However, I do agree with you, he is a "schmuck" for taking this position, as are most of our pilots for doing the same.

-Blucher

To each ... his own. That is what makes America great.

Bob

 

[Texx]

av8, so glad you and john p are off your trips this week ..quote]

ALPA?

 

[Texx]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

This is nothing. Ask the guys that have been around here when Erion was over Crew Sch.

 

[ASARJMan]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

Extended is one thing you have no control over unless you're "tired". But getting drafted on your days off is your fault if you answered your phone.

ASA Planning
Always An Afterthought

 

[ASARJMan]

av8, so glad you and john p are off your trips this week ..quote]

ALPA?

For those of you who don't get Texx's meaning, well, it's because of our ALPA contract that those who have trips taken for training still get paid for it, as well as when a trip is cancelled, you get paid because it's in the contract that ALPA/ASA negotiated.

ASA
Pissin' Off Pilots Daily!

 

[IFlyFL410]

There are many other ways of "sticking it" to the company other than not picking up Open Time. The next CA that tells me not to pickup any open time, i'm just gonna ask him to write me a personal check out of his own account. Absolutely ridiculus! I assume most of you chest thumpers don't have families or debt that needs to be paid off. I set at my desk and see bills that need to be paid etc, then look at open time and see a trip that will pay me a few hundred dollars for doing nothing more than keeping my mouth shut and doing my job. I have a family that I am responsible for and if I can get us out of debt quicker, then that's where my loyalty lies. I'm all for striking, kicking management to the curb etc, but it's noone's place to tell me whether or not to make money to support my family. Like I said, there are many other ways to show your displeasure with ASA. I know all the usual supsects are going to chime in now and call me all kinds of names. That's fine, just PM me and I'll give you my address and you can just mail me a personal check. I take cash also.

 

[ASADriver]

av8, so glad you and john p are off your trips this week and able to add to the flight info asa whiner club. despite the tough talk of a few on this board - about every pilot i have flown with or talked to in the lounge or on the bus has tried to pickup open time - so many in fact that most trips are taken.

I'm trying to pick up more time, but most is already taken! The whiners are the minority - just look at the open time. We are all picking it up.

 

[av8er2]

Sounds like a lot of mgt commenting on this one.

This means they are very worried if the pilots don't pick up time.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I've gotten extended for a round trip and drafted on two of my days off in the last two months...this is BS, now I see why people hate this company!

Look, we are not slaves. We do have control of our time. Let this Company try to fire someone for refusing a trip on their days off - I really want to read the definition of "Slave" to a bunch of Fulton County residents....

This company has junior manned friends on their way to funerals, even their parent's funerals and handed out occurrences to women who were just carjacked and lost their Certificate after their purse was taken. The one thing that MUST change is involuntary junior manning out of seniority. We are not slaves.

Especially when this "crisis" is the direct result of V.P. Charlie Tutt's threats and SkyWest's actions to reinforce to our pilots that ASA was a sinking ship. Eighty percent of my friends floated a resume within a week of Charlie Tutt's memo and the only reason why any of us are still around is that we have not been hired yet - believe me, we are trying to get off this ship ASAP.

I have no probelm flying my schedule, in fact I enjoy it. But truly, Management's aggressive posture that has encouraged pilots to leave before they were downgraded or furloughed is not my problem now that it has come full circle. My preference would have been that ASA kept its firm orders before the SkyWest purchase, its 900's which were part of that order and our flying. Management likes to play games then expect 100% professionalism out of its pilots - it is a two way street.

 

[Kenney G]

How can anyone be drafted on a day off. Why not just tell them you have been on a 2 day bender and can't fly.

 

[~~~^~~~]

They will give you an occurrence and a trip failure if it within two hours. Even if your "bender" is from taking flu medicine.

 

[AV8700]

they left a nice message today, wanted to know if I was interested in coming in to fly a trip on my off day. HA, not

 

[sweptback]

They will give you an occurrence and a trip failure if it within two hours. Even if your "bender" is from taking flu medicine.

So you get an occurrence. Big deal.

Trip failure is also not defined in the contract nor the FOM. It's a flight attendant thing.

 

[HelloNewman]

There's just nothing quite like someone willing to hold the companies feet to the fire to do what's right...uke:

:bawling: :crying: :crying: :bawling: everyone has a different definition of what's right. The guy simply stated his opinion. Obviously there are others at your airline that feel like him. There is no way to stop people from picking up open time unfortunately. You might as well pad your wallet as much as you can in the processs. Padding your wallet and feeding your family is truly the right thing to do.

 

[atrdriver]

:bawling: :crying: :crying: :bawling: everyone has a different definition of what's right. The guy simply stated his opinion. Obviously there are others at your airline that feel like him. There is no way to stop people from picking up open time unfortunately. You might as well pad your wallet as much as you can in the processs. Padding your wallet and feeding your family is truly the right thing to do.

No one, in their right mind anyway, would consider the company extending these negotiations to over 4 years as "right". If people can't realize that their picking up open time that exists due to management's incompetence is only helping the company to drag out the negotiations longer then they deserve what they get. It is a matter of ignoring the long term consequences for a little short term gain. And don't think for a second that the company is going to remember those that helped them by picking up that open time. I no longer have a dog in this fight thank God, but I still have a lot of friends that do, and they dserve a lot better than what this company is doing for them.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Look, we are not slaves. We do have control of our time. Let this Company try to fire someone for refusing a trip on their days off - I really want to read the definition of "Slave" to a bunch of Fulton County residents....

This company has junior manned friends on their way to funerals, even their parent's funerals and handed out occurrences to women who were just carjacked and lost their Certificate after their purse was taken. The one thing that MUST change is involuntary junior manning out of seniority. We are not slaves.

Especially when this "crisis" is the direct result of V.P. Charlie Tutt's threats and SkyWest's actions to reinforce to our pilots that ASA was a sinking ship. Eighty percent of my friends floated a resume within a week of Charlie Tutt's memo and the only reason why any of us are still around is that we have not been hired yet - believe me, we are trying to get off this ship ASAP.

I have no probelm flying my schedule, in fact I enjoy it. But truly, Management's aggressive posture that has encouraged pilots to leave before they were downgraded or furloughed is not my problem now that it has come full circle. My preference would have been that ASA kept its firm orders before the SkyWest purchase, its 900's which were part of that order and our flying. Management likes to play games then expect 100% professionalism out of its pilots - it is a two way street.

Well said. As the new sticker says "A lack of staffing on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine"