Are You An Asa Pilot Or A Ramp Instructor?

[John Pennekamp]

The real point of this program is to get more management eyes in our cockpits and make sure we don't try a work slowdown. Everything we do or say will be reported back to the GO.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I think this is a BAD idea overall. Maybe only if it is CAVU along the entire route and destination.

We DO need to have schedulers shadow a reserve captain around for a 3/4/5 day trip, along with extensions/re-routes and reduced rest overnights.

 

[John Pennekamp]

double post

 

[crjskipper]

pennecramps are you really that paranoid? stupid question, you probably should be. this was a suggestion i understand of many pilots who complained the gate managers and ops folks didnt understand what was happening from the otherside. so they agree to it and now you gripe? you think a they are gonna be able to read the release and fuel indications, or clearly understand the cg calc or the planned mach?

the fact you actually think they are going to report you is insane. do you have aluminum foil over your windows at home? you scare me. amazing in 10 years at asa i have never been called in to the cp office for calling in sick or had an ip gig me for procedures. this airline treats us better than most. they are welcome on my j/s.

you will let a 19 year old riddle intern on your j/s but not a gate manager? the arrogance of some on this board is truley shameful.

 

[ekuflyer]

AV8, as has been said many times in the other post, RELAX. As stated in the first paragraph, these are ramp and gate managers. They will not be your average gate/ramp agents out for a joy ride. The letter is simply to advise you of who will be in the js and what to expect.

Just extend them your a professional courtesy, fly the contract and move on.

Well said, I don't fly for ASA anymore (thank god everyday), but I don't see the problem, if you are late, tired, or just don't feel like playing the game that day then just say NO. On the other hand if you are in a good mood, then give them the professional courtesy and act like a professional (you know keep your jacket on and wear your hat under your headsets like on TV). That company needs help, bad. There has got to be some corporate culture changes happen or it will never get better. Maybe someone has stumbled onto something, and this program will help "them" understand a little more about "your" profession. Now that I think about it, maybe you pilots should shadow a ramp supervisor for a day and see how their day goes.

 

[ASARJMan]

• Be prepared for a case of air sickness, have a bag handy.
• Cover normal cockpit warnings, flashing lights, aural alerts, TCAS, GPWS, radar, etc. Things you are used to may be quite un-nerving for the visitor. Chances are this person has never flown in a cockpit before.
• quote]

COVER UP! You got to be sheting me! Has the FAA approved covering up these things? Hey BL, CT, and Sh, these things flash and buzz for important reasons! I will not cover up anything in the cockpit. It would make the aircraft unairworthy wouldn't it? C'mon ALPA, get on this quick! I wonder if the local FAA is aware of this program?

I think if an approach is expected to be low (ex. 300 OVC) that the rider should be sent back to the cabin. They have no business up there when an instrument approach possibly down to minimums will be executed!

BAD IDEA ASA MANAGEMENT!

 

[ekuflyer]

• Be prepared for a case of air sickness, have a bag handy.
• Cover normal cockpit warnings, flashing lights, aural alerts, TCAS, GPWS, radar, etc. Things you are used to may be quite un-nerving for the visitor. Chances are this person has never flown in a cockpit before.
• quote]

COVER UP! You got to be sheting me! Has the FAA approved covering up these things? Hey BL, CT, and Sh, these things flash and buzz for important reasons! I will not cover up anything in the cockpit. It would make the aircraft unairworthy wouldn't it? C'mon ALPA, get on this quick! I wonder if the local FAA is aware of this program?

I think if an approach is expected to be low (ex. 300 OVC) that the rider should be sent back to the cabin. They have no business up there when an instrument approach possibly down to minimums will be executed!

BAD IDEA ASA MANAGEMENT!

Pretty sure it meant talk about it with them, so they know what to expect. Not cover it up????

 

[Flyer1015]

If you are the Captain, just say no... and it doesn't need to go any further.

 

[ASARJMan]

Maybe someone has stumbled onto something, and this program will help "them" understand a little more about "your" profession. .

ASA management's "King Tutt" is a retired delta pilot, and Scotty is rumoured to be checked out in one of the planes. If these two flew the line they should understand "our profession"!

And who gets kicked off when there's a pilot jumpseater trying to go home, or get to work?

Bad Idea ASA Management!

 

[homerjdispatch]

• Be prepared for a case of air sickness, have a bag handy.
• Cover normal cockpit warnings, flashing lights, aural alerts, TCAS, GPWS, radar, etc. Things you are used to may be quite un-nerving for the visitor. Chances are this person has never flown in a cockpit before.
• quote]

COVER UP! You got to be sheting me! Has the FAA approved covering up these things? Hey BL, CT, and Sh, these things flash and buzz for important reasons! I will not cover up anything in the cockpit. It would make the aircraft unairworthy wouldn't it? C'mon ALPA, get on this quick! I wonder if the local FAA is aware of this program?

I think if an approach is expected to be low (ex. 300 OVC) that the rider should be sent back to the cabin. They have no business up there when an instrument approach possibly down to minimums will be executed!

BAD IDEA ASA MANAGEMENT!

Umm are you serious? By cover, it means go over, not COVER UP. Geez, you people need to relax!

 

[ASARJMan]

Pretty sure it meant talk about it with them, so they know what to expect. Not cover it up????

Read it again. It says "cover them up"! No way!

Where Does Management Come Up With This Shet????
What does the training dept think? Cover up these items? Don't think so!

 

[John Pennekamp]

pennecramps are you really that paranoid? stupid question, you probably should be. this was a suggestion i understand of many pilots who complained the gate managers and ops folks didnt understand what was happening from the otherside. so they agree to it and now you gripe? you think a they are gonna be able to read the release and fuel indications, or clearly understand the cg calc or the planned mach?

the fact you actually think they are going to report you is insane. do you have aluminum foil over your windows at home? you scare me. amazing in 10 years at asa i have never been called in to the cp office for calling in sick or had an ip gig me for procedures. this airline treats us better than most. they are welcome on my j/s.

you will let a 19 year old riddle intern on your j/s but not a gate manager? the arrogance of some on this board is truley shameful.

Feel better? You should know by now that I really don't give a d@mn about your opinion, you management shill tool! Thanks for the rant.

 

[CA1900]

• Be prepared for a case of air sickness, have a bag handy.
• Cover normal cockpit warnings, flashing lights, aural alerts, TCAS, GPWS, radar, etc. Things you are used to may be quite un-nerving for the visitor. Chances are this person has never flown in a cockpit before.

COVER UP! You got to be sheting me! Has the FAA approved covering up these things? Hey BL, CT, and Sh, these things flash and buzz for important reasons! I will not cover up anything in the cockpit.

Cover ≠ Cover Up.



cov·er (kŭv'ər)
v.tr.

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11. To deal with; treat of: The checklist covers the preflight check.


Settle down, Beavis. It's a stupid idea, but covering up warning lights isn't part of it.

 

[EatinRamen]

What's so bad about having someone in the jumpseat on a low mins approach? I'm not looking at their face to know when I break out of the soup, I'm looking at the instruments and straight ahead. I block all other distractions out when I'm on approach. It's so funny to read what some of you chest thumpers write on here. Get over it...

 

[ekuflyer]

Read it again. It says "cover them up"! No way!

Where Does Management Come Up With This Shet????
What does the training dept think? Cover up these items? Don't think so!

Dude you've lost it. Please seek professional help.

 

[ASARJMan]

What's so bad about having someone in the jumpseat on a low mins approach? I'm not looking at their face to know when I break out of the soup, I'm looking at the instruments and straight ahead. I block all other distractions out when I'm on approach. It's so funny to read what some of you chest thumpers write on here. Get over it...

Yeah, until he says, so how much loger 'til we see a runway, or similar stupid remarks. Or even worst, on a bumpy appr to minimums he starts to barf! Guess the company expects us to clean the cockpit after that occurs too huh.

ASA Management: Pissing Off Pilots Every Day

 

[ASARJMan]

Dude youve lost it. Please seek professional help.

My bad. I interpreted it the wrong way. Sorry! Can I continue to rant now?

STRIKE ASA!

 

[ekuflyer]

My bad. I interpreted it the wrong way. Sorry! Can I continue to rant now?

STRIKE ASA!

Rant On

 

[HoserASA]

Cover ≠ Cover Up.
but covering up warning lights isn't part of it.

Cover RJman, as in "go over" what they do and mean. I'm not crazy about this program either. But, I can't wait to get Walt up there!

Hoser

 

[Tarzan]

While the plan has it's drawbacks, there are some silver linings also to be found.

While I have never been airline managment, I have had my neck on the line when it came to accountablity of people and their actions. I started at the bottom and worked my up. I recall wondering what the heck the upper echelon people where thinking when the made these stupid decisions.

As I progressed on and became more privvy to the workings of things at different levels, I became more aware of why people had to make these stupid decisions. Whether it was money relate or equiptment or people, there were generally rational reasons why people did what they did. It made easier to go back to my guys say, "Hey, the eggheads are at it again. But here's why it's happening like this...." (One of the reason the airline business is what it is, is total lack of communication between echelons) My folks were always productive because I kept them in the loop and explained why things happened as they did. That doesn't mean they liked it any better but at least they understood why it had to happen.

All that being said, this can an oppurtunity for the rest of this operation to learn about the BS we deal with and how frustrating it can be at times. Once someone sees the inner workings of the other guy's job and how he/ she makes decisions, suddenly it makes much more sense when they get what used to be unreasonable requests from the pilots.

The caveat is that these managers have to go back to their people and explain what is happeneing and why they get these unreasonable requests from time to time. If they do not do this, this effort will be for nothing.