Are You An Asa Pilot Or A Ramp Instructor?

[av8tor4239]

Senerio:

Thunderstom, night, moderate turbulence, full load of PAX, 13th hour of being on duty, last turn of a 4 day trip, approach to CAT 1 minimums, you are about 50 miles out and the engine catches fire. You run your checklist and are setting up for the approach.. Over the marker you are being pelted by HEAVY rain.... you drop the gear and the Ramper in the Jumpseat SCREAMS what was that and begins to cry out of fear for his/her life...... Then just as you are getting ready to kick of the auto-pilot, the ramper VOMITS all over the controls, all over you, and all over instruments... PROJECTILE VOMIT.... you execute missed approach because the distraction from the chunks of the Quiznos sub on your PFD caused you to go full deflection off the localizer... Now you are flying right into a blotch of red orange crap on the radar screen.. but you second guess yourself becasuse that red orange blotch might actually be part of the half digested tomato from the rampers puke stuck to your MFD....

Did I mention you are on your 13th hour.. Last day of a 4 day... oh and you have a sinus infection and were afraid to call in becasue you are on your 3rd occurance for being sick in 12 months, and you dont want to get called into the chief pilots office and get a letter in your company file and possibly fired for being sick more than 4 times in a year...

Get the picture?

 

["GO AROUND"]

So who is able to do this? Just supervisors and up? Or can any schmo from the ramp or gate ride? Are they getting any formal training from the company/training dept?

All I know is they will not ride in my JS if they don't know the do's and dont's backwards and frontwards. The company better be teaching them how to do all these things that are required of a JS'er. It's one thing to brief a qualified pilot on our JS but to teach a non pilot all the things about riding the JS is Bull********************. Our dispatchers are barely qualified to ride the JS in my opinion and now this. I doubt these operations leaders are qualified.

The safety issues are endless in these situations so I don't see it happening on my JS. If they come to my plane without a briefing first then there are too many things to talk about and not enough time. We would have to be at the plane over an hour early to get all this done and we all know that is not going to happen.

Good intentions, BAD implimentation.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

AV8, as has been said many times in the other post, RELAX. As stated in the first paragraph, these are ramp and gate managers. They will not be your average gate/ramp agents out for a joy ride. The letter is simply to advise you of who will be in the js and what to expect.

Just extend them your a professional courtesy, fly the contract and move on.

 

[av8tor4239]

Good intentions?.. .there are a million ways to play warm and fuzzy between the rampers and the pilots.. THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT INTENTION OR IMPLIMENTATION.

Even worse is that our VP of flight ops told us in a memo to be ready to get puked on, and to have a puke bag ready...

 

[av8tor4239]

atlcrjdriver...

I am just floored that this has been suggested by our management team... the cons totally out weigh the pros..

And a ramp supervisor is a ramper that is paid an extra $1.00 per hour... Thats all

 

[John Pennekamp]

The real point of this program is to get more management eyes in our cockpits and make sure we don't try a work slowdown. Everything we do or say will be reported back to the GO.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I think this is a BAD idea overall. Maybe only if it is CAVU along the entire route and destination.

We DO need to have schedulers shadow a reserve captain around for a 3/4/5 day trip, along with extensions/re-routes and reduced rest overnights.

 

[John Pennekamp]

double post

 

[crjskipper]

pennecramps are you really that paranoid? stupid question, you probably should be. this was a suggestion i understand of many pilots who complained the gate managers and ops folks didnt understand what was happening from the otherside. so they agree to it and now you gripe? you think a they are gonna be able to read the release and fuel indications, or clearly understand the cg calc or the planned mach?

the fact you actually think they are going to report you is insane. do you have aluminum foil over your windows at home? you scare me. amazing in 10 years at asa i have never been called in to the cp office for calling in sick or had an ip gig me for procedures. this airline treats us better than most. they are welcome on my j/s.

you will let a 19 year old riddle intern on your j/s but not a gate manager? the arrogance of some on this board is truley shameful.

 

[ekuflyer]

AV8, as has been said many times in the other post, RELAX. As stated in the first paragraph, these are ramp and gate managers. They will not be your average gate/ramp agents out for a joy ride. The letter is simply to advise you of who will be in the js and what to expect.

Just extend them your a professional courtesy, fly the contract and move on.

Well said, I don't fly for ASA anymore (thank god everyday), but I don't see the problem, if you are late, tired, or just don't feel like playing the game that day then just say NO. On the other hand if you are in a good mood, then give them the professional courtesy and act like a professional (you know keep your jacket on and wear your hat under your headsets like on TV). That company needs help, bad. There has got to be some corporate culture changes happen or it will never get better. Maybe someone has stumbled onto something, and this program will help "them" understand a little more about "your" profession. Now that I think about it, maybe you pilots should shadow a ramp supervisor for a day and see how their day goes.

 

[ASARJMan]

• Be prepared for a case of air sickness, have a bag handy.
• Cover normal cockpit warnings, flashing lights, aural alerts, TCAS, GPWS, radar, etc. Things you are used to may be quite un-nerving for the visitor. Chances are this person has never flown in a cockpit before.
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COVER UP! You got to be sheting me! Has the FAA approved covering up these things? Hey BL, CT, and Sh, these things flash and buzz for important reasons! I will not cover up anything in the cockpit. It would make the aircraft unairworthy wouldn't it? C'mon ALPA, get on this quick! I wonder if the local FAA is aware of this program?

I think if an approach is expected to be low (ex. 300 OVC) that the rider should be sent back to the cabin. They have no business up there when an instrument approach possibly down to minimums will be executed!

BAD IDEA ASA MANAGEMENT!

 

[ekuflyer]

• Be prepared for a case of air sickness, have a bag handy.
• Cover normal cockpit warnings, flashing lights, aural alerts, TCAS, GPWS, radar, etc. Things you are used to may be quite un-nerving for the visitor. Chances are this person has never flown in a cockpit before.
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COVER UP! You got to be sheting me! Has the FAA approved covering up these things? Hey BL, CT, and Sh, these things flash and buzz for important reasons! I will not cover up anything in the cockpit. It would make the aircraft unairworthy wouldn't it? C'mon ALPA, get on this quick! I wonder if the local FAA is aware of this program?

I think if an approach is expected to be low (ex. 300 OVC) that the rider should be sent back to the cabin. They have no business up there when an instrument approach possibly down to minimums will be executed!

BAD IDEA ASA MANAGEMENT!

Pretty sure it meant talk about it with them, so they know what to expect. Not cover it up????

 

[Flyer1015]

If you are the Captain, just say no... and it doesn't need to go any further.

 

[ASARJMan]

Maybe someone has stumbled onto something, and this program will help "them" understand a little more about "your" profession. .

ASA management's "King Tutt" is a retired delta pilot, and Scotty is rumoured to be checked out in one of the planes. If these two flew the line they should understand "our profession"!

And who gets kicked off when there's a pilot jumpseater trying to go home, or get to work?

Bad Idea ASA Management!

 

[homerjdispatch]

• Be prepared for a case of air sickness, have a bag handy.
• Cover normal cockpit warnings, flashing lights, aural alerts, TCAS, GPWS, radar, etc. Things you are used to may be quite un-nerving for the visitor. Chances are this person has never flown in a cockpit before.
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COVER UP! You got to be sheting me! Has the FAA approved covering up these things? Hey BL, CT, and Sh, these things flash and buzz for important reasons! I will not cover up anything in the cockpit. It would make the aircraft unairworthy wouldn't it? C'mon ALPA, get on this quick! I wonder if the local FAA is aware of this program?

I think if an approach is expected to be low (ex. 300 OVC) that the rider should be sent back to the cabin. They have no business up there when an instrument approach possibly down to minimums will be executed!

BAD IDEA ASA MANAGEMENT!

Umm are you serious? By cover, it means go over, not COVER UP. Geez, you people need to relax!