Part Time Employment Pilots??

[414Flyer]

WRONG. Even when major airline pilots were paid well, regional pilots were paid terrible. Only thing that changed were the engines on the side. FOr that you can blame mainline pilots for giving up their scope. Any major airline pilot that came from a regional was paid crap. Just because it was a T-prop doesn't change that fact.

However keep in mind that the capacity of planes flying now in at the regionals, used to be at the majors. While 20 years ago regionals paid crap too, the flying could have been in a Navajo, or a B99 if one was lucky, maybe a Shorts too.

Now it is 70-90 seat jets. Too many people think the size of the jet counts as part of the income somehow. I could be happy flying a C172 for good pay in a good location. Its just an airplane, not a key to happiness.

 

[insomniac99]

However keep in mind that the capacity of planes flying now in at the regionals, used to be at the majors. While 20 years ago regionals paid crap too, the flying could have been in a Navajo, or a B99 if one was lucky, maybe a Shorts too.

Now it is 70-90 seat jets. Too many people think the size of the jet counts as part of the income somehow. I could be happy flying a C172 for good pay in a good location. Its just an airplane, not a key to happiness.

Thank You!

 

[Hawkster54]

TROLL ALERT!

This message is hidden because insomniac99 is on your ignore list.

Wha't wrong? Are you scared you might put a bullet in your head because your finally starting to see that there's a bigger picture?

How about SCAB ALERT?

I'm sure Insomniac99 is going to sleep fine knowing that he is not a contributing factor in this industry's downfall.

 

[Hawkster54]

However keep in mind that the capacity of planes flying now in at the regionals, used to be at the majors. While 20 years ago regionals paid crap too, the flying could have been in a Navajo, or a B99 if one was lucky, maybe a Shorts too.

Now it is 70-90 seat jets. Too many people think the size of the jet counts as part of the income somehow. I could be happy flying a C172 for good pay in a good location. Its just an airplane, not a key to happiness.

I second that!

 

[insomniac99]

414flyer and Hawkster, PM me if you ever get to the motor city, I'll buy the beer!

 

[Flyby1206]

However keep in mind that the capacity of planes flying now in at the regionals, used to be at the majors. While 20 years ago regionals paid crap too, the flying could have been in a Navajo, or a B99 if one was lucky, maybe a Shorts too.

Now it is 70-90 seat jets. Too many people think the size of the jet counts as part of the income somehow. I could be happy flying a C172 for good pay in a good location. Its just an airplane, not a key to happiness.

I agree with that statement, but think about the 70seat ATR turboprops or the 4 engine Avros that used to be flown by the regionals.

 

[Hawkster54]

dang, stop all your bitching. yeah we all know pay sucks when we start out, it gets better. the average doctor, lawyer, etc. all don't start out making +100k, it takes time, ask them-maybe you'll learn something. And don't say we are compared to bus drivers- maybe in your mind- smarten up fool. And what makes you think you deserve all this money so soon. These new pilots starting at regionals are making 70k within a couple of years after switching seats -all major captains are at least 130k to 250k. If you feel like your in such a bad industry- get the hell out because your life must suck being so miserable.

Tell me IMMELMAN, Who's upgrading after a couple of years? And don't say Great Lakes. Be careful how much cool-aid you drink because in the regionals, you still going to be left feeling very thirsty. I am very aware of what mgmt tells their new hires during INDOC, they say what they feel is necessary to keep employees motivated, smiling, upbeat, etc, etc,. Mgmt's job is easier when less FO's quit.

At least the Great Lakes pilots can get their 1000 pic turbine, a little extra time in the log book, and then a job at SWA, Jetblue, or Spirit, and in some cases UPS, or FedEx.

 

[insomniac99]

Hey Hawkster, how many of those airport shuttle bus drivers do you think would agree to a pay freeze in order to drive bigger/shinyer buses?

 

[Smarta$$]

However keep in mind that the capacity of planes flying now in at the regionals, used to be at the majors. While 20 years ago regionals paid crap too, the flying could have been in a Navajo, or a B99 if one was lucky, maybe a Shorts too.

Now it is 70-90 seat jets. Too many people think the size of the jet counts as part of the income somehow. I could be happy flying a C172 for good pay in a good location. Its just an airplane, not a key to happiness.

Actually, t-props have had 19 to 70 seats for along time. I totally agree that we are WAY underpaid. But this is no different than what has always been the case. At least you don't have to PFT at regionals anymore. We fly what mainline pilots give away. If they give me a prop, I fly it. If they give me a jet I will fly that too. If it were up too me jets would be mainline only. But they gave them away.

The problem is that regional pilots have no leverage. If you don't fly for a competitive wage, than skywest or republic will get it from you. It is almost impossible to take a meaningful stand right now. Between RFP's, NMB, BK judges and politicians regional pilots have no power. Mainline pilots control the scope and there for they have much more power. For mainline pilots to expect that regional pay will go from total crap to something better just because they give us a 50 seat jet instead of a 34 seat T-prop is expecting the imposible.

We get paid more to fly a 50 seat jet than we do to fly a 34 seat T-prop. You were not calling the T-prop drivers scabs before the scope slide because many of you were regional T-prop drivers before you got to the mainline. What is the difference?

Scope erosion caused the problem we are in. Regional pay was already bad before we had jets. Now we get paid more to fly jets. I don't see the point when our pay went down to take your jets. It was always bad.

Give us some power and we will do the right thing. As for now, we do not have the power. The company I work for has been negotiating a new pilot contract for almost two years. We are demanding better pay and benefits. But management will not negotiate in good faith. We are doing everything we can do within the law, but they still have the upper hand. WE HAVE NO POWER. You can say that we can quit, but where is the better opportunity? There is nothing better out there for us right now?

Quit blaming us for the situation we have been put in.

 

[Smarta$$]

Tell me IMMELMAN, Who's upgrading after a couple of years? And don't say Great Lakes. Be careful how much cool-aid you drink because in the regionals, you still going to be left feeling very thirsty. I am very aware of what mgmt tells their new hires during INDOC, they say what they feel is necessary to keep employees motivated, smiling, upbeat, etc, etc,. Mgmt's job is easier when less FO's quit.

At least the Great Lakes pilots can get their 1000 pic turbine, a little extra time in the log book, and then a job at SWA, Jetblue, or Spirit, and in some cases UPS, or FedEx.

Last upgrade at Pinnacle was a april 05 hire. 20 months to make 65k+. Still pretty pathetic wages however. There is another 30 or so upgrades next month that could go down to 14-18 months possibly.