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I was just asking because found a legit position in the financial services industry that is perfect for pilots. PM me if you want some info.
 
insomniac99 said:
with the exception of horizon air, you guys are whoring yourselves. If things continue the way they are going now where do you think scope is going to be in five years? ten years? Beyond that? do you really want to be flying 737's at whatever crappy regional you fly for now or would you like to do it at mainline. mark my words, if you continue to whore yourselves you are going to screw youselves out of the mainline jobs in the future. you fools better wake up and change something.
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Uhhh wasn't it the major guys who gave away the scope?

Just sayin'.
 
If your profession requires that you get a second job just so you can put food on your table, then you are in a F'd up industry. With that said, Aviation is an f'd up industry. We all can agree on that. We are are supposed to be professionals with precious souls in our hands.

There was a time when Pilots were compared to Doctors, and they were paid like them too. Now we are compared to Bus Drivers! For that I blame the Regional bottom feeders.

How long are all of you guys/gals going to justify making 19k/yr (and in some cases less) just so that you can gain the experience to go somewhere better. Pretty soon, there won't be anywhere to go! You Regional Scope Busters are eliminating the jobs that you are climbing the ladder for.

This isn't about who flys a faster piece of alluminum, it's about making the industry one that people can build lives around.
 
Hawkster54 said:
If your profession requires that you get a second job just so you can put food on your table, then you are in a F'd up industry. With that said, Aviation is an f'd up industry. We all can agree on that. We are are supposed to be professionals with precious souls in our hands.

There was a time when Pilots were compared to Doctors, and they were paid like them too. Now we are compared to Bus Drivers! For that I blame the Regional bottom feeders.

How long are all of you guys/gals going to justify making 19k/yr (and in some cases less) just so that you can gain the experience to go somewhere better. Pretty soon, there won't be anywhere to go! You Regional Scope Busters are eliminating the jobs that you are climbing the ladder for.

This isn't about who flys a faster piece of alluminum, it's about making the industry one that people can build lives around.
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well said
 
I wonder what the starting pay is for your average city transit bus driver? I havn't done the research (yet) but I wouldn't be surprised if they make more money. Hell, if they have problems while doing their jobs, all they have to do is pull over...It makes me wonder who has the real brains?
 
Hawkster54 said:
I wonder what the starting pay is for your average city transit bus driver? I havn't done the research (yet) but I wouldn't be surprised if they make more money. Hell, if they have problems while doing their jobs, all they have to do is pull over...It makes me wonder who has the real brains?
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Airport shuttle driver in Laurel, MD $27,000/yr, and I believe they sleep in their own beds every night (if they want)

On the downside they don't get paid to overnight in exciting destinations like Des Moines, IA or Hibbing, MN.
 
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insomniac99 said:
I might as well say this while I am here.

I am sick and tired of you people whining about brand x taking your flying. You don't have any flying. All the flying belongs to mainline. you are taking their flying.
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Tool. We are not taking anything. We fly what mainline pilots GIVE away.
 
damn, stop all your bitching. yeah we all know pay sucks when we start out, it gets better. the average doctor, lawyer, etc. all don't start out making +100k, it takes time, ask them-maybe you'll learn something. And don't say we are compared to bus drivers- maybe in your mind- smarten up fool. And what makes you think you deserve all this money so soon. These new pilots starting at regionals are making 70k within a couple of years after switching seats -all major captains are at least 130k to 250k. If you feel like your in such a bad industry- get the hell out because your life must suck being so miserable.
 
Hawkster54 said:
If your profession requires that you get a second job just so you can put food on your table, then you are in a F'd up industry. With that said, Aviation is an f'd up industry. We all can agree on that. We are are supposed to be professionals with precious souls in our hands.

There was a time when Pilots were compared to Doctors, and they were paid like them too. Now we are compared to Bus Drivers! For that I blame the Regional bottom feeders.

How long are all of you guys/gals going to justify making 19k/yr (and in some cases less) just so that you can gain the experience to go somewhere better. Pretty soon, there won't be anywhere to go! You Regional Scope Busters are eliminating the jobs that you are climbing the ladder for.

This isn't about who flys a faster piece of alluminum, it's about making the industry one that people can build lives around.
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WRONG. Even when major airline pilots were paid well, regional pilots were paid terrible. Only thing that changed were the engines on the side. FOr that you can blame mainline pilots for giving up their scope. Any major airline pilot that came from a regional was paid crap. Just because it was a T-prop doesn't change that fact.
 
Smarta$$ said:
Tool. We are not taking anything. We fly what mainline pilots GIVE away.
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that statement would be true with one little change, remove pilots, insert management.

I really don't care if you think I am a tool. do you guys realise that you are cutting your own throats in the longrun. It wouldn't bother me so much if you weren't cutting mine at the same time.
 
immelman79 said:
dang, stop all your bitching. yeah we all know pay sucks when we start out, it gets better. the average doctor, lawyer, etc. all don't start out making +100k, it takes time, ask them-maybe you'll learn something. And don't say we are compared to bus drivers- maybe in your mind- smarten up fool. And what makes you think you deserve all this money so soon. These new pilots starting at regionals are making 70k within a couple of years after switching seats -all major captains are at least 130k to 250k. If you feel like your in such a bad industry- get the hell out because your life must suck being so miserable.
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Who's talking about making 100K? I'm talking about having enough money to pay for a place to live, some food to eat and to pay bills. There is no way I could live on 22K a year. I think that the minimum acceptable salary for a professional is 30K/yr.
 
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Regional/commuter payscales have ALWAYS been ridiculously low. Talk to any pilot who has started out years ago and they talk about PAYING for training, and then getting paid 13k/yr to fly 100hrs+ a month in a turboprop 10 legs a day. This is NOTHING new, the only reason everyone is moaning about it now is because there is no movement through the regionals to a major.
 
my understanding of the situation is this:

The original purpose of regionals was to provide service between hubs and outstations where the use of mainline aircraft was not economically viable. (If it were my decision I wouldn't have given these routes up.)

The problem as I see it is this:

Regionals are now providing service between major cities. I highly doubt this is what the mainline pilots who gave up scope intended.

When regional's fly what have traditionally been mainline routes you are replacing mainline crews. The mainline management is not stupid, they know they are getting these routes serviced at a fraction of the price. hence you are cutting your throats in the long run.

All I have been saying is that if you guys don't stop thinking about what the future could hold and start worrying about the situation you are in right now, this mess is just going to get worse.
 
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Flyby1206 said:
Regional/commuter payscales have ALWAYS been ridiculously low. Talk to any pilot who has started out years ago and they talk about PAYING for training, and then getting paid 13k/yr to fly 100hrs+ a month in a turboprop 10 legs a day. This is NOTHING new, the only reason everyone is moaning about it now is because there is no movement through the regionals to a major.
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You IDIOT! It wasn't until after 9/11 that people started considering the regionals "career companies". PAYING for training? If I were those people, I wouldn't disclose that info @ a job interview. Paying for traing is blacklist worthy, that's no secret. Also, Why is there no movement throught the regionals to a Mainline carrier? Hmmm as long as the regionals will do the job for less then the Mainline, carriers will continue to shrink and regionals will grow.

Pretty soon the only flying that will pay anything will be will be international mainline. How many "I paid for my training" Mesa scumbags will be doing that flying? They've brought new meaning to the word SCAB. Way to go! Good luck erasing that from your 10 yr history.
 

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